In the future America will...........

[MikeCT]

Originally posted by tabs
....that was talking about the rise of Multinational Corporations and that the nation state was becoming obsolete....funny how a Leftist idea got picked up by the ultra right wing in America...

That sounds pretty interesting.. the shift from being a right wing idea to the left. Do you know of any resources that might have more detail ?

[tabs]

Jorge Neff wwnt to McGill in Montreal shortly after i took his class...it was said the CIA wanted him out...and the Chilean government wanted him back...

It was a Leftist idea to begin with that was picked up by ole Pat Buchannon...in the 90's....

[MikeCT]

Ah-ha

edit: Ill try to search Jorge Neff

[Superman]

Originally posted by tabs
Unfortunately your diatribe against corporations is naive at best....You OWE your very standard of living to these very organizations you so villify...

Corporations provide....Economy of scale...so that the price of all those luxury goods you own...like your car, refergrator, washing machine, dryer, TV and compiter are affordable to the masses....and it takes alot of R&D money to develope new technology that only a large organization like a corporation can provide...this goes to the quality of your life as well....for instance all the prescription drugs that make your life longer and healthier..

We never know how tabs is going to present himself. Sometimes brilliant, sometimes just goofy. The above post is common here and I think it comes from various bases. Some folks just have to villify liberals because it's just too dangerous to recognize that we may have something to offer in these discussions. Some folks just are too dim to evaluate ideas. Again, various sources.

For those few of you who are actually listening and thinking.....for the record......I am thankful for corporations. Economies of scale, yeah. Better yet, plain ol' capitalism. Fact is, our economic system, the one I occasionally express concerns about, is a furnace. And that's good. And I'd be an idiot not to appreciate the supply-and-demand principle of setting prices and quantities. Lots of great things about corporations and capitalism.

Now, for those of you who are STILL listening, here's "the rest of the story." In America, we're experimenting with the ideology of taking these principles to their logical extreme. We're giving industrial concerns a free reign. Libs like me who suggest policies LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD USES, are spouting pure, idiotic heresy in the minds of some. We think many of you guys are lemmings. Acting as though there is no conflict between the interests of industry and the interests of citizenry. So much so that it's just okay in some peoples' minds that industry basically runs our government. I think that's incorrect, and I think we're headed for a political "correction" at some point.

Okay, I'll shut up. I just wanted to say that I don't hate corporations. My position, tabs, is much more specific than that. Truly, truly....if I were Emperor for a day and could effectively accomplish one thing, I would choose to remove industrial concerns from our public policy making (government) process. I don't like non-citizens running my government. Corporations are great. But I'd rather my government be run my citizens. And again, don't try to tell me they are one-and-the-same.

[Dantilla]

I would rather have the government run by citizens than career politicians.

As the framers desired. Do your stint at public service, than return to your factory/farm/store/whatever and let your neighbor head off to the capital for a short while.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Dantilla
I would rather have the government run by citizens than career politicians.

As the framers desired. Do your stint at public service, than return to your factory/farm/store/whatever and let your neighbor head off to the capital for a short while.

This is a brilliant idea. In our communities, there is plenty of managerial talent to draw from. But maybe there's something that is a barrier to this actually happening. Pay. Perhaps our perception that gubmint workers are just below cochroaches on the respect scale has something to do with it. Then there's the whole business about (allegedly) voters not paying attention, not having a clue about what's going on, so much that election races are glamour contests. Or maybe that it's about advertising, and it takes corporate money to pursue a legitimate campaign. And then there's the really sad problem.....many of the posters here would have to find some other organization to blanketly criticize.

[MikeCT]

Originally posted by Superman
This is a brilliant idea. In our communities, there is plenty of managerial talent to draw from. But maybe there's something that is a barrier to this actually happening. Pay. Perhaps our perception that gubmint workers are just below cochroaches on the respect scale has something to do with it. Then there's the whole business about (allegedly) voters not paying attention, not having a clue about what's going on, so much that election races are glamour contests. Or maybe that it's about advertising, and it takes corporate money to pursue a legitimate campaign. And then there's the really sad problem.....many of the posters here would have to find some other organization to blanketly criticize.

I think there needs to be more involvement within the community, more people getting involved in local politics. But even that is slanted because, from what I have seen anyway, the person with the most money to spend advertising can win a local election.

[tabs]

Everything is a trade off....Environment vs Standard/Quality of Living....social responsibility vs making a profit and there are no easy answers.

We are burning up the planets resources and the faster the economy grows the more fuel you have to feed the fire..to sustain that growth...at some point in time something is going to have to give..in 25 years...50 years...100 years....

The SINGLE biggest problem facing the world today is OVERPOPULATION....and the single biggest resource problem is going to be CLEAN/FRESH WATER....However Mother Nature has ways of taking of taking care of problems....Avian Flu, AIDS, Ebola....Man has a way of taking care of the problem too..War....

[Superman]

Originally posted by MikeCT
I think there needs to be more involvement within the community, more people getting involved in local politics. But even that is slanted because, from what I have seen anyway, the person with the most money to spend advertising can win a local election.

This, too, is dead-on. Both remarks. All our problems will be solved when the citizenry begins paying attention. Right now, it's insanely easy for politicians to manipulate voters.

[dd74]

Originally posted by Superman
All our problems will be solved when the citizenry begins paying attention. Right now, it's insanely easy for politicians to manipulate voters.

Well, the citzenry (at least the voting citzenry) does pay attention, but only on the extreme fringes of either "left" or "right." To rectify how "...it's insanely easy for politicians to manipulate voters," is to start new third, fourth and fifth parties to whom attention should also be paid.