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[coloradoporsche]

Can we just "vote him off the island"?

Damn, I've seen people kicked off of servers at the first hint of a racial blast. "A-Rab"? Are you freaking kidding me?

Guess that shows the difference in generations here. Any admin under 30 would have killed this thread long ago, OT or not. Time to join the 21st century.

[gavinlit]

I would disagree with your 99% figure. In terms of the development of maths it'd be fair to say it goes roughly along these lines
Babylonia & Mesopotamia
Greece, Egypt & China
Greece Egypt, India (this is the period you're referring to with greece=alexandria)
Persia & Arabia (The dark ages in Europe - rise of christianity?)
Western Europe & India
Russia, Western Europe & India
Currently - ???

That's a broad sweep & there would have been plenty of other cultures involved but for dominant ones in mathematics I'd say that hits the mark.
This is roughly how I see it and that's from a lifetime of exposure to western european texts with all the inherent focus on similar cultures. It's fair to say that the 18th and 19th centuries were dominated by western european thought - mathematically. Since then it'd be difficult to say that any one particular culture has set the trends in the field to such a dominating extent. So if you wish to see the 18th and 19th century as the defining moment in the field it's fair to say you'd be looking at western europe. However, once you go back a bit further the field is spread quiet a bit more. Given each passing century sees a greater rate of advancement in most fields than the previous one it's not terribly surprising that the achievements of the later centuries loom large compared to the earlier ones.

My theory is that any economically advanced society will have a greater opportunity to indulge in the sciences and the arts - which should in theory further advance that society (this dosn't seem to be the trend at the moment with the US being the wealthiest country (?) but sliding in quite a few measures of mathematics and science). If you look at the advancements made in mathematics, they've historically occured in societies that were relatively wealthy on a global scale. No surprises there - it's had to do a lot of study if you're busy tilling a field all day.

Any society with greater economic or military force should be in a position to further itself by putting more resources into research & knowledge. So Alfred, I'd say you can reduce most of your argument to societal wealth and power. Any wealthy and powerful society will outpublish, outresearch and outachieve others - no big surprises there. As to why certain societies are more powerful than others in a historical sense- I'll leave that for others more qualified but it's fair to say it's got more to do than the colour of someones skin.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Jesus was a darky . . .

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcfa.htm

[M.D. Holloway]

Alfred - When I was in Grad school at UMASS for my MS in Chem Eng - I was one of 4 "Whites" out of 89 in the program, then when I was at UCONNN for the doc, I was 1 of 3 whites of 104 in mat sci. About 40% were from China, about 30% from India, 20% from the Middle East and the rest from Germany.

So - what is your science background?

[limble]

Alfred1,
All I can say is this, if you don't like diversity then you're living in the wrong country.

[CamB]

Generally speaking, the white race has been Christian for most of the last thousand years while the brown races and sub races have been pagan.

That argument is more full of holes than a Texas roadsign. What you make of the "superiority" of whites now that christianity is in decline in caucasian countries while numbers increase strongly in third world countries?

Or, what is your view of the (relatively obvious - think sports here) physical superiority of blacks and Pacific Islanders?

If you want a reasoned debate, how about we start with you reconciling your last dozen or so posts with Matthew 22:34-40 - the greatest commandment.

[gavinlit]

My point wasn't chinese space technology, russion sam technology, fermat or newton. Simply to say that I felt your generalisations were incorrect. Still think the same way. 99% of mathematics has not been found/invented by white europeans. See my earlier point about links between socioeconomic background, sat scores, iq scores, crime etc. I can speak from experience and say that in this state, when hsc scores (end of school results) and other performance tasks are mesured the ONLY statistical significant variable is socioeconomic background. This was found in a study not looking for a particular result or axe to grind.

[IROC]

Alfred, I don't think anyone is doubting the number of Nobel prize winners or the history of modern science or mathematics. What is being questioned is the conclusions you are attempting to reach using these statistics.

If you're attempting to build a case for the supremacy of the white race, then you're not going to find a receptive audience here. You're "a man without a country" right now.

Maybe you need to hook up with the KKK or Aryan Nation or one of the many white supremicist organizations (many of whom use bible scripture to justify their racism and bigotry).

Interesting how this somehow winds back up at Christianity...

Mike

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Alfred1
First year physics, an introductory chemistry course (hated it), various computer science, business and english courses plus A's or A+'s in eight university math courses including real analysis. The (Phd) chemistry professor I had was a woman and she stated one time that if chemistry required more math she would have found a different major.

what university? They're not all the same...

From your description, you're reaching. You seem to have read a bit about western-centric science history, but that's about it. You're not a scientist, and don't really understand the scientific community. You're on the outside looking in with a very skewed lense.

Never mind that Chinese medicine was only about 5K years ahead of the west.

[limble]

Alfred,
Be careful how you define "wealth". Jesus Christ never had a nickel but he was wealthy beyond anything we could ever hope for.

[M.D. Holloway]

Alfred - I don't know what sort of prof you had but Chem on the grad level is mostly math unless she is a hundred and fifty years old and practiced alchemy. Qaunt and Qual - all math, P-chem - all math, even organic chem is mostly math. Today, much model is done on the laptop with pretty stout math.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Alfred1
If you can look at the list of Nobel Prize winners in science and think that I'm reaching, then you're reaching. And, no I'm not scientist but I do understand a bit about them and their limitataions (see below). Oh, and Chinese medicine - Lol!

For someone who claims to have studies lots of complex math, you have an incredibly small mind.

I got my ph.d. in chemistry at caltech. I've had lunch with Nobel Laureates (Rudy Marcus and Ahmed Zewail). They would likely consider you a racist fool.

Oh yeah...Ahmed is Egyptian

[350HP930]

Originally posted by nostatic
Oh yeah...Ahmed is Egyptian

Dem damn a-rabs is trying to throw off the curve of anglo-saxon superiority.

[CamB]

Originally posted by Alfred1
As for the athletic superiority of blacks over the whites that is ceratinly true in some cases like short distance sprints, boxing etc. It's not true in many long distance races, swimming, weightlifting etc. I believe that in the 1936 Olympics the Germans won the most medals and up until recently they also won the medal total in the winter Olympics regularly. The blacks are adapted for their natural environment and not so much for white societies (see BOJS murder rates and SAT score links above).

Kenyans and Ethiopians in long distance running? A Moroccan in middle distance. Chinese swimmers and weightlifters. The chinese won (I think) the second highest number of medals at the last Olympics.

It is interesting you raise Germany's medal haul at the Berlin Olympics. You might want to look into the history a little before concluding that is a fair comparison to anything. The lack of competing nations was a factor.

Originally posted by Alfred1
And Jesus definitely didn't like pagans. In fact, I believe he had an issue with the Samaritans view of things and I certainly believe that he wouldn't have wanted countries with a Christian heritage to change their immigration laws to let the pagans flood in.

If this is the case, why would Jesus bother sitting down and spending time with a Samiratan woman at the edge of a well, delivering one of the more powerful messages in the Bible (John 4)?

(9)The Samaritan woman said to him, "You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?" (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)

(10)Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."

And "Jesus didn't like pagans"? He must, otherwise there is no-one to evangelise to.

You're not going to get this next bit, I suspect, but I'll try. One of your arguments is that, as someone who knows a bit about science and scientific methods, you feel you can draw conclusions about race and intelligence/superiority. Nothing you have mentioned provides any scientific basis - at best it is anecdotal (and you have to look at it from a biased way even then) - that there is any racially based superiority.

[limble]

Originally posted by Alfred1
And Jesus definitely didn't like pagans. In fact, I believe he had an issue with the Samaritans view of things and I certainly believe that he wouldn't have wanted countries with a Christian heritage to change their immigration laws to let the pagans flood in.

Belief does not equal truth.

[CamB]

All you've successfully shown there is that drugs are the winners in sport - not racial characteristics (and most people already know this).

Have you read what the IOC has to say about the 1936 Olympic Games:

http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/past/index_uk.asp?OLGT=1&OLGY=1936

Jesse Owens (USA-athletics) became a sporting hero after winning four gold medals (100m, 200m, 4x100m relay and long jump), which did much to undermine Hitler's myth of Aryan superiority. He was one of the first athletes in the United States to see his popularity cross racial boundaries.

Shalll we start on your country's favourite sports? Football? Baseball? Basketball? Golf (an "intelligent" game if ever I saw one - Tiger Woods and Vijay Singh)? Soccer (in Europe)? Anything BUT hockey?

And where do Latin and South American people fit in to your world view? Are they "deficient" too?

[CamB]

Originally posted by Alfred1
for Salvation is from the Jews

Yeah - God's chosen people... and He is welcoming her in.

One word: Pentecost - explain that event from a zenophobic perspective.

[CamB]

Because you have failed to account for exogenous factors or in any way introduce any other variables.

[skipdup]

Have we entered the freakin twilight zone here? I seriously can not believe I'm reading what I'm reading.

Alfred, come clean. You don't really believe this crap, right?

John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

It does NOT say "as long as you're a whitey".

- Skip

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally posted by Alfred1
You do math the way most people do long division. Somebody told them which algorithm to use.

I wish it was that easy - cookbook chemistry, great if you are running a meth lab but it ain't so for folks who do this sort of thing as a profession.

As far as the math involved in chemistry, start out with an orthogonal array for a designed experiment that has to consider more than 8 dependent variables, then move on to the derivations of the thermodynamics involved in running and scaling the reaction, next use anything from the Student T to a true gage R&R to capture your standard deviation of the quality and performance levels you need to obtain and that’s before your 10:30 AM coffee break - ya, plenty of plug and chug math involved! I wish.

You can rant on the Christ all you want because most all is collective opinion and a faith based belief. Stay out of science – it’s a field were you have no business in and it is obvious.

I find guys like you the most dangerous – not because you can influence anyone, but because you may actually believe the ***** you write. I do not find it surprising that you do not share any information about yourself. Does anyone else on this board even know you or has had contact with you on a personal level? I bet not. There are a few reasons for this.