Illegal Accident

[john70t]

quote: "Not sure what country you guys are from, but the notion that the police in the U.S.A. have no jurisdiction on private property is beyond laughable. Like if I kill someone, and it's in my house, (private property), no problem?"

Actually in the Bay Area, the police won't show up for accidents unless there's an injury involved.

-The first time I had a radio ripped off (mid-day on a busy steet), the SFPD wouldn't even give me a report number.

-After I was ploughed by mr. agressive truckdriver Gomez (out of LA) while sitting in bridge traffic, I reported it to a mr. Rodregiz at the SF CHP office-because after 45 minutes no CHP arrived at the accident site. After looking at the form, he won't take the report paperwork (hmm), and said I had to physically drive it to the Oakland CHP office.
The company refered to three different insurance carriers, two different appraisers looked at the dented bumper, then 2 months later I was denied compensation.
The companies local address was a vacant lot and the car was a piece'r so I forgot about it. Put faith in the system?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Should've shot the guy in the head and then told the security guard, "I guess it's on private property and doesn't matter".

[serge944]

Originally posted by nostatic
yes, white people never drink and drive...or flee the scene of an accident. And if he looked Mexican, he must be illegal. You should have shot him on sight.

No kidding. The fact that he is Mexican is completely irrelevant.

[speeder]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
Should've shot the guy in the head and then told the security guard, "I guess it's on private property and doesn't matter".

Fukenay boy.....

[techweenie]

Originally posted by john70t
quote: "Not sure what country you guys are from, but the notion that the police in the U.S.A. have no jurisdiction on private property is beyond laughable. Like if I kill someone, and it's in my house, (private property), no problem?"

Actually in the Bay Area, the police won't show up for accidents unless there's an injury involved.

-The first time I had a radio ripped off (mid-day on a busy steet), the SFPD wouldn't even give me a report number.

-After I was ploughed by mr. agressive truckdriver Gomez (out of LA) while sitting in bridge traffic, I reported it to a mr. Rodregiz at the SF CHP office-because after 45 minutes no CHP arrived at the accident site. After looking at the form, he won't take the report paperwork (hmm), and said I had to physically drive it to the Oakland CHP office.
The company refered to three different insurance carriers, two different appraisers looked at the dented bumper, then 2 months later I was denied compensation.
The companies local address was a vacant lot and the car was a piece'r so I forgot about it. Put faith in the system?

The system sucks. I had a guy t-bone me at an intersection 100 feet from a CHP officer "on break." The accident nearly totalled my Grand Cherokee... I was a little shaken. Asked the officer to walk over and do a report. She said: "were there drugs or alcohol involved?" I (foolishly) said 'no.' She said well, be sure to file an accident report.'

The other driver (gringo) was driving a nearly-new F-150 pickemup, and he was contrite and promised to pay immediately after running into me. The next day, he didn't recall having said that and openly speculated that I must've been in the wrong (driving through a green light at the speed limit). He had no insurance. I had had the presence of mind to get a business card from the guy behind me and my insurance co. went after the other driver -- for, I'm sure, a lot more than the $8K it took to fix my Jeep.

(Months later, I discovered the accident had screwed up my rotator cuff but it was too late to add therapy costs to the claim.)

Generally, my encounters with the CHP have been only mildly negative, but the above was one of the worst.

[speeder]

Stories like this are extremely prevalent these days, and certainly not the result of only one ethnic group. Not by a long shot. But it is an acute problem w/ illegal immigrants, and any attempt to deny this with anecdotal stories about other ass holes is superfluous.

Like they say in my neighborhood,

"How do you know you are in Koreatown?"

"Because all the Mexicans have car insurance."

Sorry, I'll do some volunteer work at my local La Raza office to atone for that.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by speeder
Stories like this are extremely prevalent these days, and certainly not the result of only one ethnic group. Not by a long shot. But it is an acute problem w/ illegal immigrants, and any attempt to deny this with anecdotal stories about other ass holes is superfluous.

Like they say in my neighborhood,

"How do you know you are in Koreatown?"

"Because all the Mexicans have car insurance."

Sorry, I'll do some volunteer work at my local La Raza office to atone for that.

Yeah, right. I've been in CA since '71 and haven't witnessed this problem, but if you say it's prevalent, I'm sure it must be.

There was an effort to allow driver's licenses to the undocumented, which would allow them to drive legally and get insurance, but the hysterics shouted it down. So it's likely the majority of undocumented workers (not only Mexicans, Speeder, your bias is showing again) cannot get car insurance.

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by techweenie


There was an effort to allow driver's licenses to the undocumented, which would allow them to drive legally and get insurance, but the hysterics shouted it down. So it's likely the majority of undocumented workers (not only Mexicans, Speeder, your bias is showing again) cannot get car insurance.

So take the bus.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
So take the bus.

They can do that in Brooklyn, I'm sure.

However, L.A. doesn't have a decent mass transit system serving many areas.

Las year, I was doing a project that required weeks of labor and I visited the intersections in Malibu where the workers hung out. 90% had gotten to Malibu from mid-Los Angeles -- a 2-1/2 hour bus ride. But the prevailing labor rate in Malibu was $1-2 more than in L.A., so it was worth the trip. I also had a 'senior' subcontractor who had his own truck... but in my experience probably only 1 in 30 or so 'undocumented workers' have vehicles here.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
Do you really believe that if the illegal workers had legal driver's licenses that they would go out and purchase car insurance? If so, I've got a bridge to sell you in New York.

-Wayne

I don't know how many of "them" you have dealt with, but they are hardly monolithic.

If we make it impossible for undocumented workers to get insurance, we can hardly blame them if they do not have it. Making licensing and insurance a possibility also enables enforcing the laws requiring lincense and insurance.

That's probably the reason the L.A. chief of police supported licensing for the undocumented.

[gaijindabe]

The law is fine as long as you are a normal tax paying citizen. Other than that, there are a million excuses.

It is not that complicated. You drive - you do so licenced in an inspected, registered and insured vehicle. Or you dont drive.

If you dont like it - you take the bus, ride a bike, walk or you go home.

[Racerbvd]

What about the fact that they are her illegally, why do some here not care. We are seeing more and more illegals breaking and ignoring our laws. I have to be licensed and bonded for my work, different ones for each of our businesses, I would be fined and lose my right to do business if I didn't maintain the licenses & bond, yet someone who is in this country illegally, doesn't pay taxes gets less punishment than I when they knowingly break the law. When I read the arrest reports in the local paper, a large # of the names, whom were arrested (then released) were listed for 1 no drivers license, 2 no tag or insurance, and 3 failure to appear. Local crime as also been increasing too, thanks to the illegals. If you see one breaking into your carhome or business, shoot to kill!!!

[techweenie]

Originally posted by mikester
We are responsible for the laws of our land and they say this basically:

to be here you must have documentation, ie birth certificate making you a citizen or documentation allowing otherwise (green card, etc)

To get a license you must be here legally.

So, because they can't get licenses and insurance we are responsible?

No, I think not. The responsibility is theirs as they are the ones who broke the first law - coming here and staying here illegally. I don't like this word "undocumented" as it's a cop out undocumented = illegal.

It's plain and it is simple. If you want to have a legitmate chance at the American dream do so above board. The laws do need some changes but I don't see a reason to bend to the needs of the law breakers and I do not support any amnesty for them. I think they should have to leave this country and apply from outside via normal channels at the very least.

Well, that's all very nice on paper. but we allowed migrant workers from south of the border in for msny decades after California became a state. It wasn't until 1965 that there was "illegality" attached to being here without documents.

The millions that are thinking about coming here listen to the word "amnesty" dropped into the president's speeches and every time, there's a surge of new migrants. Employers give them jobs, and the border patrol "game" is just catch and release. The law aginst being here beyond a certain period of time without documentation provides for a slap on the wrist. It's not a felony; not even a misdemeanor. Can you say mixed signals?

[craigster59]

Originally posted by techweenie

If we make it impossible for undocumented workers to get insurance, we can hardly blame them if they do not have it. Making licensing and insurance a possibility also enables enforcing the laws requiring lincense and insurance.

This goes along the line of thinking "How can we expect the inmates to survive the dangerous life behind bars if we don't allow them to have handguns".. And enough with the "Undocumented Workers"..Call them what they are. "Illegal Aliens"..

[speeder]

Maybe we can start calling them "document-challenged".

"Undocumented" has become a derogatory term. Is everyone on board w/ this?

[techweenie]

Originally posted by craigster59
This goes along the line of thinking "How can we expect the inmates to survive the dangerous life behind bars if we don't allow them to have handguns".. And enough with the "Undocumented Workers"..Call them what they are. "Illegal Aliens"..

Wishful thinking. Lacking documentation is an administrative crime like speeding. We can call all undocumented aliens "illegal" if we can call all speeders illegal drivers (no offense, Speeder).

If you want to make being an undocumented worker in this country a real crime, talk to your legislators.

If you want facts instead of emotionalism, this is a good summary:

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=18223&prog=zgp&proj=zusr

[stomachmonkey]

Originally posted by techweenie
A cute blonde woman did something much worse in Long Island a couple of years back. She was drunk and they wouldn't let her into a club, so she drove into the crowd in her SUV, injuring 16 people then fled the scene. Her friends hid her until she was sober and ultimately, she served 37 days in jail and became a media celebrity with her own TV show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Grubman

A few years ago? It just happened a few days ago.

Blonde woman from the Hamptons ran over and killed a priest who was out for a walk. She took off. They got her.

She had a suspended license due to prior DUI's. Limit in NY is 0.8 She blew 2.5 one time and over 3 another time with her kids in the car.

What the hell was she doing on the road?

Lucky for the priest she was'nt Mexican. Imagine how much deader he would have been if she was.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by stomachmonkey
A few years ago? It just happened a few days ago.

Blonde woman from the Hamptons ran over and killed a priest who was out for a walk. She took off. They got her.

She had a suspended license due to prior DUI's. Limit in NY is 0.8 She blew 2.5 one time and over 3 another time with her kids in the car.

What the hell was she doing on the road?

Lucky for the priest she was'nt Mexican. Imagine how much deader he would have been if she was.

LOL!

Around there, ya gotta watch out for blonde women *and* Billy Joel.

[hex9145]

two days ago i had to respond to a PD call because he cited an illegal for running a red light, and hit & run. this happens almost everyday. If they really cared about driving with a DL they could use one from their own country.