165 Mph 73 2.4s ???

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by trader220


Unless as in my case its simply for the entertainment provided by making Mali keep showing up here day after day ranting and raving.

[the]

Here Mali, Mali, Mali . . .

[randywebb]

I've heard about 'special' motors, green-tagged or not, that were at the top of the performance level for a production run being pulled off the line or treated specially (sold to a favorite customer). These are persistent rumors - and maybe they are true.

Maybe Mali's car even has such a motor. But he has said before he wasn't sure about the internals of the motor. Now it seems like he is sure...

The second question is whether any S motor could push his car to 165 with the short gears, even if was a bit better than the average production run. What did P AG say was the top speed for those cars? And, note that they are usually a bit conservative in the ratings.

[Todd Simpson]

Man, I just don't undestand you guys. Exec posted above the car has a stock fifth. A highly regarded mechanic stated earlier that the car has had "many" transmissions in it.

Why do you persist in saying the "short gears" couldn't reach 165?

[speeder]

Originally posted by Todd Simpson
Man, I just don't undestand you guys. Exec posted above the car has a stock fifth. A highly regarded mechanic stated earlier that the car has had "many" transmissions in it.

Why do you persist in saying the "short gears" couldn't reach 165?

Yes, and the story has also wandered from "multiple transmissions" back to a factory short 1-4 + stock 5th from new. I really doubt that it has had several transmissions w/ unknown gears in it. Moot point anyways, stock 5th + stock bodied targa + "special" stock 2.4S motor does not = 165 mph. Not even close.

If he took it to some endless highway in the desert w/ a good GPS or we used a radar gun, I would put my $$ on ~140 mph.

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by Todd Simpson
Man, I just don't undestand you guys. Exec posted above the car has a stock fifth. A highly regarded mechanic stated earlier that the car has had "many" transmissions in it.

Why do you persist in saying the "short gears" couldn't reach 165?

Yes, so sorry, that somewhere in the THIRTY FOUR pages I somehow missed his most succinct statement that it was a stock fith and final drive. I'd be upset with myself if the story hadn't changed a half dozen times....


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[DohertyCM]

You guys are the only ones going back and forth, and talking alot of crap...even more so than exec.

He was willing and you guys backed out or never put up ....

He has always said stock 5th and short 1st-4th.

He bet you $100 on the run, and you didnt take him up on it because you KNEW it was plausable, instead of benifit of doubt all you guys intended on cutting him up in public. Maybe it was jealousy because your car wont perform that well.....who knows.

Even more so you dont mention the 8500 rpm thing anymore so you go right to the thing he did when he was stupid...and said he would not do again....in the beginning...go 165 in a targa.
And by the way "others" that posted on this board said that they had seen this car perform to back up the story..

Arm chair wanta be racers.....Sore losers you all are.


You guys have gone way beyond the "track trash talk".

But it is kinda neet to see all the views this post has had...Its almost the most popular on the pelican..

[the]

Originally posted by DohertyCM


But it is kinda neet to see all the views this post has had...Its almost the most popular on the pelican..

Can I fit a V8 in my 911?

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by DohertyCM


You guys have gone way beyond the "track trash talk".

Correctly so, methinks..whole Lotta B.S.'n goin' on. In case you missed it, I own a 2.4S coupe. Pull it's rotor, there is still no way no how it will roll 165 in 5th...with the same final drive gear ratios execumalibu claims to have in 5th gear. No B.S....my car's engine is a proper 2.4 S engine. Remember mali's claim of a "proper" engine? 8500? Mali was offered a paid for dyno run, which would have verified (or not) his claim. He turned it down.
He didn't show at the track day. Bull Caca is Bull Caca.

That said, this thread has been one highly amusing read....

[widgeon13]

Originally posted by DohertyCM
You guys are the only ones going back and forth, and talking alot of crap...even more so than exec.

He was willing and you guys backed out or never put up ....

He has always said stock 5th and short 1st-4th.

He bet you $100 on the run, and you didnt take him up on it because you KNEW it was plausable, instead of benifit of doubt all you guys intended on cutting him up in public. Maybe it was jealousy because your car wont perform that well.....who knows.

Even more so you dont mention the 8500 rpm thing anymore so you go right to the thing he did when he was stupid...and said he would not do again....in the beginning...go 165 in a targa.
And by the way "others" that posted on this board said that they had seen this car perform to back up the story..

Arm chair wanta be racers.....Sore losers you all are.

You guys have gone way beyond the "track trash talk".

But it is kinda neet to see all the views this post has had...Its almost the most popular on the pelican..

If it was my car (it's not and I would not buy it if I had the money) I would demo it's capabilities to prove I was right and they were wrong. $100 bucks would not cover much of any damage if it could not achieve the advertised objectives so why not show what can be done. With all the bugling on this car's power I would have done it for the notoriety, but it's not mine and I respect exec's position but it would have been great fun to stuff it up a few a$$es if it could have been done.

[Zeke]

Here's my final thought. I followed Dave B. today out of the "pit's" where we stopped. (See the Thanksgiving day run thread.) Now Dave's cars are fast and so is Dave. We know he has driven things like 935's in competition. The man will take it up to the limit and since he maintains his own cars (TRE Motorsports), he knows what's underneath him. That's more than I can say for me since I've had this car less than 2 months and haven't gone over it enough to be driving the way I was driving.

OK, we had a nice long stretch, I'd say a mile or so. When I hit 5th after redlining 4th, I didn't want to know how fast we were going. I just wanted to see his brake lights come on! He was pulling me, no doubt, not even a trace of doubt on that. And, I'm sure there were some very fast cars behind. But, I got a jump on the crowd an nailed it as soon as Dave moved out as I knew he'd be on the gas.

Finally, I saw the brake lights I was waiting for because we were running out of road. He must have been 3-400 yards out in front of me. I can't even tell you the RPM in hit in 5th as I began to get concerned about the speed. I'd have to guess we topped 130, maybe he hit 140, I don't know. I really don't.

So, what's the point I'm making? It's not about me. I told you I was on the threshold of being scared. It's about speed and what Dave says. If Dave says Exec's car went 165, then it did and so did he. I don't know how or care. It took some extraordinary circumstances, that's all I can tell you.

I don't like the braggadocio theme Exec puts on, but he's telling us that this happened. I'm inclined to believe it. I just don't know how it was accomplished. The difference between these 2 guys is night and day. Dave knows he can walk the walk and he walked everyone once again today. so, who knows, maybe Jeff (EM) tied a rope to the back of one of Dave's hot rods. I've had 3 people tell me this is all true and everyone of them stands to gain nothing by saying that it's true.

30 mile an hour tailwind on a flat or downhill run with a known entity breaking the wind, it's possible. The question will always be why did he have to say that the car went 165? There are lots of cars that will do 165 and they're vintage, too.

I'll bet another mile of open space and Dave would have been near that today. Not me. I was getting ready to back out anyway when I thankfully saw the brake lights. So much for 165, I ain't there. But, I believe it happened, now, and can be duplicated. Let's just not egg it on so it has to be.

For the hell of it, let's assume I was 5 grand in 5th with a stock G50 running 245/45/16's at full tread height (25.6 according to Toyo), no, let's take off a tenth to be safe (25.5). The best info I can come up with is that the '88 G50 5th gear is a .889 ratio coupled to a final drive of 9:31. How fast is that? Generally. I can't say for sure I made 5K, but we were humpin' along.

Again, this is to make a point, I'm not gonna go out and do this again (I hope) and I doubt I'll see that much room at Willow Springs when I get there in this car. It's just to see how much room is needed and what about 220 HP can do.

[livi]

'Green tagged' is an exclusive version of 'Blue printed' then ??

[javadog]

If you shifted at the redline in 4th, you would have been at around 5k in fifth (a 6,300 rpm shift in fourth gives you 4,978 rpm in fifth.) Given your assumptions, this would be around 124 mph.

For what it's worth,
JR

[Zeke]

Originally posted by javadog
If you shifted at the redline in 4th, you would have been at around 5k in fifth (a 6,300 rpm shift in fourth gives you 4,978 rpm in fifth.) Given your assumptions, this would be around 124 mph.

For what it's worth,
JR

Thanks. That falls right in line with my senses and memory. So, I spent a few seconds in 5th, a few longer than I thought was necessary. I'm gonna call it 130 and nothing more. 165 is a long way more, probably 30 more seconds by my guess under the ideal conditions I mentioned above. And more than a 220 HP fat Carrera pig can do.

Funny, I didn't have any weird sensations that would make me think I had to have a bunch of areo stuff. I mean my car presently doesn't even have a chin spoiler. You mean these cars will do a buck and a half in a straight line naked?

[javadog]

Originally posted by milt

Funny, I didn't have any weird sensations that would make me think I had to have a bunch of areo stuff. I mean my car presently doesn't even have a chin spoiler. You mean these cars will do a buck and a half in a straight line naked?

Not on a windy day, or on a less than perfect (and wide) road.

Well, at least not more than once, anyway, with me in the car.

JR

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by milt
I'm gonna call it 130 and nothing more. 165 is a long way more, probably 30 more seconds by my guess under the ideal conditions I mentioned above. And more than a 220 HP fat Carrera pig can do. ....

.......You mean these cars will do a buck and a half in a straight line naked?

And those comments shed yet more light on the preposterous claim of a 2.4S motor (185hp, give or take, going a speed much higher, where the gains need exponentially more power,...with the top off.

Agian, it's simple. He claimed a "Correct S motor" in his car will rev repeatedly over 8500 RPM, and exceed 165MPH...

He didn't claim it would go an "Indicated" 165, or a "towed to an indicated 165" or a "Towed to, with a tailwind and down a hill 165"...he said the car can go 165 with a "correct" S motor.

Thats BS, and I have no respect for that when you're making claims like that in an natiaonaly placed ad selling your car. Period.

[trader220]

Whens Mali going to comment I cant wait for another rant!

[Zeke]

Originally posted by lateapex911
And those comments shed yet more light on the preposterous claim of a 2.4S motor (185hp, give or take, going a speed much higher, where the gains need exponentially more power,...with the top off.

Agian, it's simple. He claimed a "Correct S motor" in his car will rev repeatedly over 8500 RPM, and exceed 165MPH...

He didn't claim it would go an "Indicated" 165, or a "towed to an indicated 165" or a "Towed to, with a tailwind and down a hill 165"...he said the car can go 165 with a "correct" S motor.

Thats BS, and I have no respect for that when you're making claims like that in an natiaonaly placed ad selling your car. Period.

Jake, I can't disagree with you either. You have made solid points form the get go. This will never be resolved, but I hate to see the fellas that support the claim be called liars (not that I've actually seen that word here). I consider the sources quite reliable. People do make mistakes on their data uptake, that also could have some bearing here. The biggest mistake was, as you said, bragging about it to sell a car.

Originally posted by javadog
Not on a windy day, or on a less than perfect (and wide) road.

Well, at least not more than once, anyway, with me in the car.

JR

10-4 on that.

[randywebb]

Exactly.

I don't consider any of the posters "liars" - even Mali can 'only' be accused of puffery to sell his car.

Porsche claimed that a stock '73 S would go over 160 mph IIRC. So a std. geared coupe could perhaps make 165. I don't see that happening in a short geared targa.

The main problem here is he made so many different claims that one is hard put to sort them out. The ones above he definitely made, but he made others too, and dissembled on the original claims.

So until the car is sold, or unless it is sold, I doubt we will ever know what that particular car can really do in top end speed, rpm limits on the motor or any other performance issue.

[porsche930dude]

hes got a nice alfa for sale now. Id drive it