"Replica Watches" - Page 4

VaSteve · 01-02-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
Steve,

Pls post a photo or more info of the watch. Might be worth saving for yourself or kids.

Joe

Well, I'm definitely holding on to it...occasionally I wear it. I'll try and remember to take a photo.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Steve, from your description, it could be a Breitling.

VaSteve · 01-02-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by Rick Lee
Steve, from your description, it could be a Breitling.

I doubt it...it bears little resemblance to the Breitlings of today, at least.

Shuie · 01-02-2007, 08:09 AM

Maybe an old IWC or Omega....

RallyJon · 01-02-2007, 08:21 AM

Some of the biggest fakes I even met wear real Rolexes.

If you would choose/buy/wear a Rolex even if no one knew what it was and it wasn't a status symbol, then maybe you can complain about fakes. But it's often the people who are most focused on the little crown that whine the loudest about those who at least are willing to admit they care ONLY about the little crown by wearing a replica.

pwd72s · 01-02-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by svandamme

fake S'es i've yet to see anywhere...

Sadly, I can't say the same. Switched VIN tags and all, I HAVE seen a fake S! Pretty similar to the fake Rolex watches...this car was an extremely well done fake, but a fake nevertheless...the owner's ass gets kissed in an EXCELLENCE article...another of his cars.

carnutzzz · 01-02-2007, 09:48 AM

You guys are funny.

Obviously fakes are "wrong" as its copyright/patent infringement.

I travel with my fake Rolex Daytona as I'd rather lose that than my Tag Carrera (real). When asked, I proudly state that it cost me $35. The next question is always- "Can you get me one?"

I think of it as a novelty item.

Those that think it's "posing" or any of this other nonsense are brainwashed by marketing.

VaSteve · 01-03-2007, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
Steve,

Pls post a photo or more info of the watch. Might be worth saving for yourself or kids.

Joe

I didn't take a picture, but found a similar one online. Mine isn't as shiney as this and doesn't have the red lettering (if the lettering is the same, it's white).

See the Jardur at the top right

http://www.watchestobuy.com/newpage5.htm

BeyGon · 01-03-2007, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by carnutzzz
You guys are funny.

Obviously fakes are "wrong" as its copyright/patent infringement.

I travel with my fake Rolex Daytona as I'd rather lose that than my Tag Carrera (real). When asked, I proudly state that it cost me $35. The next question is always- "Can you get me one?"

I think of it as a novelty item.

Those that think it's "posing" or any of this other nonsense are brainwashed by marketing.

So I still don't understand your reason for wearing a fake, why not wear a Timex if it isn't "posing"
People that wear a fake are still fooling most of the people that don't ask about it.

Dantilla · 01-03-2007, 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by Cornpanzer
I have to laugh at you guys who are talking down to the "watch guys". Im sorry, but anyone who drives a Porsche hardly has any authority to stereotype thier peers who own nice watches as egomaniacs or status seekers. For Gods sake man, you drive a PORSCHE.....the most common ststus stereotype on the planet.

Sorry, but because I like to keep a lower profile, my 911 usually sits under a car cover in the garage, out of sight, except on autocross days. My daily driver is a Miata, because it's a hoot to drive, gets great mileage, and is totally invisable as far as prestige goes. The cover is so that the Porsche is not visable from the street if the garage doors are open.

I have some rental properties, and want to avoid the "rich landlord" image, so a Timex and Miata, work out great.

I do have a nicer watch for when its appropriate (no Rolex, please), but my Timex, with the scratched up face, is the "daily driver" watch.

I was suprised how many people commented on my phony Rolex. I always told them it was a fake.

Joeaksa · 01-03-2007, 07:43 AM

Steve,

I do not know the make but the movement is a very good one (if its the same) and well worth saving. Try to find it and if you need help finding someone to work with it can put you in touch with my watchmaker.

Joe

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

I think Valjoux makes most of the movements for the shops that don't make their own. IIRC, IWC, Rolex and Patek Phillipe are about the only high-end Swiss shops that still make their own movements. Breitling, TAG and the others outsource to Valjoux, but tweak them a little.

carnutzzz · 01-03-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by BeyGon
So I still don't understand your reason for wearing a fake, why not wear a Timex if it isn't "posing"
People that wear a fake are still fooling most of the people that don't ask about it.

I like the style- and the fake cost me all of $35. It's an automatic, keeps great time, and looks great.

I like looking down at a Rolex symbol and design instead of a Timex.

I really don't care if people I don't know are "fooled"- but what are they fooled into believing? Some people on the street might think I'm rich when I'm driving the 911 (I'm not). Am I posing? Am I pretending to be rich?

Life is too short to worry about what other people think.

Moneyguy1 · 01-03-2007, 09:39 AM

It would be interesting to know whether the "internals" of a top end anything such as watches differ significantly from lesser priced items that provide the same function. Way back (the 60s), my dad introduced me to a guy who ran an auto glass shop. On some models, the replacement windshield for a Caddy and a Chevy were identical. The prices were quite a bit different, though....

Joeaksa · 01-03-2007, 10:13 AM

Bob,

The Daytona movement was not a Rolex movement for many years, but was farmed out to another company. ETA made it I believe and it was used throughout the industry.

Many Daytona copies use the same ETA movement so how the copy is any less the same watch is a good question. Several of my copies keep as good or better time as my real versions and other than not getting them wet, I cannot see a lot of difference.

javadog · 01-03-2007, 11:15 AM

The Rolex chronographs used various versions of Valjoux movements for some fifty-odd years. A modified Zenith El Primero movement was used next, until Rolex developed their own movement which is used in the current models. You can tell which movement type is in a Rolex chronograph by the position of the dials on the face, as they were fixed by their basic position in the movement. Many (most?) chronographs used a Valjoux movement - they were considered more or less the standard in that type of watch for years, although the Zenith El Primero movements were arguably better.

I'd say that the majority of high end watch companies that do not manufacture their own movements use one from ETA, and most of them modify them to suit their needs. Rarely is a basic ETA movement used, although their are many, many different base movements to choose from.

The movements used in top grade watches differ significantly from those in lesser watches, both in detail design and the amount of hand-finishing that goes into their production. If you are interested in this sort of thing, there are a couple of publishers producing annual watch catalogs, briefly highlighting the offerings from the top 100 or so manufacturers. These books typically give the specifications and, in many cases, photos of the movements used in the watches. They are available at larger book stores.

Apart from some of the detail differences, what sets the better watches apart from the herd has to do with the degree that the movements are adjusted. Quite significant gains can be made in the fine tuning of the movement. It's the difference between a watch that is accurate to 1 or 2 seconds a day, or less, and one that might struggle to get within 7 or 8.

JR

artplumber · 01-03-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Shuie
Im a total hypocrite with my personal opinions on replicas in general and I can't make sense of it. Replica cars like 550s, 904s are totally acceptable in my book. Replicas of '50s and '60s guitars are less cool, but still totally acceptable. However, Im a total snob when it comes to replica watches. The real cars and some of the guitars are unobtainable to me, but I would never consider buying a replica watch like a Breguet Torbillon that was also unobtainable to me.

Maybe it has to do with the total number of the items available or the fact that they went out of production (or both) but I agree.

BeyGon · 11:42 AM

Aren't all fake Rolex watches battery operated? Everyone I have seen was battery operated but maybe they make automatic fakes now.
I used to be able to tell the fakes by watching the second hand but if they aren't all battery operated now, it's a different game.

carnutzzz · 01-03-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by BeyGon
Aren't all fake Rolex watches battery operated? Everyone I have seen was battery operated but maybe they make automatic fakes now.
I used to be able to tell the fakes by watching the second hand but if they aren't all battery operated now, it's a different game.

No- mine is automatic. It's probably a Seiko or something on the inside, with a Rolex exterior.

One big difference between my fake Daytona and a real one is that my chronos move, but do not actually function.

You have to hold the watch against a real one to note the movement difference- it's actually a really good fake.

pwd72s · 01-03-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by BeyGon
Aren't all fake Rolex watches battery operated? Everyone I have seen was battery operated but maybe they make automatic fakes now.
I used to be able to tell the fakes by watching the second hand but if they aren't all battery operated now, it's a different game.

Nope...the fake watches have become more sophisticated, contain "automatic" (self winding) movements now. Some are so good, only a watchmaker would know for sure, and he'd have to open the case. Visit some of the sites linked to in this thread.