Optimum climate for the earth

[M.D. Holloway]

I think its time to go underground...

[Moneyguy1]

But not too far...It gets hot down there!!

[ronin]

Originally posted by snowman
Question for anyone who thinks global warming is a problem.

1. What God has set the current global climate as the optimum global climate??

Al Gore

2. If the current global climate is not optimum, what one is??

whichever temp Al Gore ordains

[ronin]

Originally posted by snowman

THe answer is that global warming is a total hoax. The ONLY purpose is to give a reason to make a lot of people submit to the political will of a few.

[Moneyguy1]

Why...

Do otherwise intelligent people dismiss the observations of other apparently equally intelligent people without a second thought...Is there a fear factor involved here that some people my subconsciously be thinking...."What if I am wrong and the others are right?"

The assertion that global warming is a total hoax" is "totally" indefendable.and meaningless, but sounds SO authoratative.

Snow doesn't have the answer, I do not have the answer. No one has the complete answer. However, being prepared for change, no matter what caused it is prudent.

[Dantilla]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Snow doesn't have the answer, I do not have the answer. No one has the complete answer.

True.

But why are so many insisting that they do?

[Moneyguy1]

Dan...fear that they may be wrong...fear of the unknown...the hope that things will always be as they are today.

Kind of reminds me of the old adage: "A coward dies a thousand deaths....the hero dies but once."

[hytem]

Originally posted by Tobra
It is not so much the climate as the population, if you ask me.

Catastrophic climate change, they say it killed the dinosaurs. If you can't move to a more palatable climate when it changes faster than you can adapt you are done, true dat.

Well, the soil layers suggest it was an asteroid landing in the Gulf of Mexico that produced a "nuclear winter" to kill off the dinosaurs.

Certainly, the climate undergoes changes over long periods of time that alter the planet's landscape. It's just that the human species hasn't been around long enough to experience a really significant change. Though the Mayans, I understand, were killed off by a drought. I just hope nothing happens for another 20-25 years--and then I'll be in Heaven...maybe.

My own view about dinosaurs, as someone with a scientific background, is that bacteria probably killed them off. And might have gotten us, too, by now if we didn't have medical science. Our environment is loaded with unfriendly little critters that our immune systems have to fight off every day. When we get old, our immune systems get weak, and you know what happens then.

[snowman]

Global warming may or may not be true, that is irrelivant. We will adapt to whatever climate evolves or we will not. One thing for certain is that we will not prevent mother nature from taking her course, whatever that may be.

One thing we cannot do is to submit to the Al Gore scare tactics. After Al invented the internet he met god and found out all about global warming and what it can do for politicians and their ilk. Several things is perfactly clear. Al Gore knows NOTHING about global warming, he is not a scientist and probably dosen't even know a scientitst, he wants political power and will do ANYTHING to obtain it, and finally he is a sore loser. The botom line is that he is a LOSER, nothng more.

So the question is: Do you want to wreck our lifestyle, our ability to respond to climate chage if needed, to submit to a communist leader who knows what is best for all of us? If thats your choice, follow Al to the promised land.

[ronin]

Originally posted by snowman
One thing we cannot do is to submit to the Al Gore scare tactics. After Al invented the internet he met god and found out all about global warming and what it can do for politicians and their ilk.

exactly. global warming has become the new religion and anyone who even slightly questions any of the so-called facts is immediately decried as a heretic. pretty soon it'll be house arrest, followed by burnings at the stake

[nota]

Originally posted by ronin
exactly. global warming has become the new religion and anyone who even slightly questions any of the so-called facts is immediately decried as a heretic. pretty soon it'll be house arrest, followed by burnings at the stake

I have heard this line of BS before
but religion is very very anti-FACT
and weather is all about records of facts

so no faith but only data in the global warming so called religion is what matters and if the current trend reverces
then the gig is up
but if the temps continue to climb facts not faith
will be the rule
and no amount of faith will move a recorded temp 0.1 deg

so global warming is not a religion
it is testable
all other religions are NOT

[red-beard]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Fellas:

"Global Warming" would not be uniform over the globe. Some areas would get warmer and drier, some would get colder. If the Gulf Stream shuts down due to decreased salinity, it could put Great Britain and Northern Europe into a very cold world of hurt. Remember how far north those countries actually are....far more north than anyplace in the US except Alaska.

Europe would be more like Siberia if it were not for the gulf stream water.

Why do you say drier? As air heats up, it can hold more water. Deserts are usually locally produced areas due to a removal of moisture by precooling geograhy. Look where deserts are and usually you find them downwind of very high mountains. Or you find them where the ocean waters are cold.

If global warming occurs, it will lead to higher worldwide specific humidity, higher lattitudes of aeable land and longer growing seasons. Sounds about right for a booming worldwide population.

[The Gaijin]

Originally posted by nota


so no faith but only data in the global warming so called religion is what matters and if the current trend reverces
then the gig is up
but if the temps continue to climb facts not faith
will be the rule
and no amount of faith will move a recorded temp 0.1 deg

so global warming is not a religion
it is testable
all other religions are NOT

The Victorians had the second coming figured out to a few month window. But about 20 years hence.

Global warming (Vikings in Greenland) and global cooling (ice skating on the River Thames) is FACT. What is going on now is nothing of the sort. Modern scientific measurements are only a few generations old. Is it really warming?? Is it the sun? Is it man made pollution? Is it a 70 year cycle? Who knows.

But I am skeptical of the scientific bandwagon and the "true believers".

A religion it is morphing into, and that is another fact.

[ronin]

well said

[p911dad]

Interesting you should mention the Victorians. Another of the ideas of that time was "eugenics", which is(stolen directly from Wikipedia) is the social philosophy that advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits though various forms of intervention. The eugenics proponents have a similarity to the global warming proponents in that they are noted scientists of the day and highly respected members of the elite, and convinced vast groups and governments to institute their ideas and policies about genetics and population control into official policies and law. It was a pseudoscience that hung on for a long time and ultimately led to the Holocast in Europe. Give the Wikipedia article a read and reflect on how the global warming advocates are manipulating the data to give cover and credibility to their message and agenda. It received funding from the Rockefeller Foundation, Carnagie Institute and Harriman Family. It was a department in many universities. From it's inception it had the support of prominent thinkers of the age. However, the improvements it promoted were ultimately seen as a cultural choice and not a scientific fact, and disappeared after World War II, labeled a pseudoscience. It ended being labeled as scientific racism.
Global warming proponents use computer models to project outcomes that are based on a wishful agenda, that human kind is the culprit(what about cows, rice paddies, volcanoes, etc., etc.?) and through active controls, big government can set the clock back. Checking pollution is a noble goal and no one on this board would disagree. The goal of global warming theorists is to promote the environmental movement, their leadership and agenda. They are using pseudoscience to baffle us with their bullsh**.

[snowman]

Global warming may indeed be fact. But the way to deal with it is nothing like what is being proposed by Al Gore and his ILK. Damn, I love saying that word, ILK. ILK is just so discriptive of Al and his kind, it just fits, like a glove.

If global warming is indeed fact, and it MAY be fact, what is the best way to deal with it?

I say give the worlds best scientists a challange.



How do we first prove the magnitude of this warming to a degree that is reasonable to act upon?

Of the methods to solve this assumed problem, how do we do it without ruining the world?

How do we do it in a way that maintains freedom for the people of the world? In other words without gov demanding all of us bow to their preconceived solutions. How do we do it with freedom of choice? People will always do in general whats best for all of us, thats capitalism. Say it dosen't work, YOU are DEAD WRONG!

How do we make certain all of those who deny capitalism and freedom end up dead? THere appears to be no other choice that maintains our freedom. Freedom is not free, it is worth dying for. Is socialism worth dying for? Lets test that theory, this time using capitalism instead of socialism for the standard. The last time the socialist bastards lined up all of the rest of us against the wall and shot us. THis time we should line up all the socialist bastards up against the wall and shoot them. Say it isn't fair or democratic? So what. Give the socialist bastards all the same consideration they gave us the last time and millions ended up dying for absolutely NOTHING but the wishes of a delusional socialist. All socialists are delusional.

Just maybe Bush should live up to the reputaiton the left has given him. He should round up all the leftist, socialist scum and line them up against the wall. Then they may have a legit reason not to like him. Afterall thats what they would do to us, given the chance. They have in FACT done so, many times, so this is not conjecture, but fact.

Hugo C is doing so as we talk about this. He is killing all his opposition. Wheres the world opinion? They love it, they love killing aveage people who like freedom and democracy.

[island911]

The ability to control the world temperature begs the question; who gets to set the global thermostat?


Goldielocks? ...an office space, with a dozen people, generally is slpit; too hot, too cold, just right.

[snowman]

The best summary of the entire global warming debate I have heard so far.

[jyl]

Originally posted by snowman
I say give the worlds best scientists a challange.

How do we first prove the magnitude of this warming to a degree that is reasonable to act upon?

Of the methods to solve this assumed problem, how do we do it without ruining the world?

How do we do it in a way that maintains freedom for the people of the world? In other words without gov demanding all of us bow to their preconceived solutions. How do we do it with freedom of choice? People will always do in general whats best for all of us, thats capitalism. Say it dosen't work, YOU are DEAD WRONG!

How do we make certain all of those who deny capitalism and freedom end up dead? THere appears to be no other choice that maintains our freedom. Freedom is not free, it is worth dying for. [blah blah omitted]

I think someone needs to take a Valium.

Requiring cars to emit less pollution and get better fuel economy is a threat to freedom? Reducing pollution from power plants and encouraging more renewable energy is tyranny? Developing alternative fuels and energy conservation technology is anti-American?

Give me a break. When CAFE standards and catalytic converters came to Detroit, did you think that was the first crack in your freedom?

You are too emotional to think about this rationally, is my observation.

[snowman]

Yes all of the above is a threat to freedom. Especially when it does NOTHING to help the problem and everything to place everyone under the thumb of a politician. No valium needed here, just a bit of simple freedom of choice.

The fact that you cannot see this as a threat means you are taking to much valium yourself.