Optimum climate for the earth

[techweenie]

Wow. Some people are almost as scared of Al Gore as they are of Hillary!

But Al Gore did not create the theories he's talking about any more than he invented the Internet. He makes a convenient lightning rod for the lazy minds who can't address what the vast majority of climate scientists are saying.

The earth's climate is complex and the interactions are easier to observe than predict. But the same people claiming that man's actions have no consequences are oddly the ones who are most likely to post in other threads that reckless mortgage borrowers (or the poor) suffer the consequences of their actions. Go figure.

[snowman]

Got any proof to backup your statements?

[ronin]

the vast majority of "climate scientists" are trying to ensure their jobs

[Moneyguy1]

snow...

No more than you.

Interesting how many people equate the microclimate in their immediate area with the global climate.

Look, folks...this is a complex subject and no one has the complete picture. Yes, temperature change is cyclical; so is continental drift, the earth's orbit, the sun's output of energy, etc. To ignore the fact that things will not always be "status quo" seems to me to be a bit short sighted. THe point is to be prepared. If, for example, the "experts" are correct ablut sea levels rising, certain areas will become inundated unless specific actions are taken similar to what Holland has had to do. OVerall, according to some climatologists, the differential on a global scale between now and the last (10,000 years ago) ice age was only about 2 degrees celsius. Not much.

Something was aid about tree rings. Without going into detail, tree rings can give a picture of the growing conditions over huge expanses of time. A tree growing today, say 50 years old and a tree that was cut down 40 years ago will have 10 years worth of rings in common. Continue backwards and as long as you can find a log for the time span you can trace the weather. In addition, ice cores frm Greenland and Antarctica can contain air bubbles from the long ago past as well as evidence of soot or ash left by volcanoes. Satellite imaging has located ancient riverbeds, cities, and the like, telling us of changes which made entire areas of the world more or less inhabitable. There are any number of ways to investigate the past global conditions.

Most folks who deny change are indulging in wishful thinking, attacking messengers and ignoring the message..

[jluetjen]

Bob, the problem with what you are basing your argument on is that climatic cycles taking place over 100,000's of thousands of years. The oldest tree ring data is something more the 10,000 years old -- which doesn't even cover a single climatic cycle of any significance. Ice cores do go back about 450,000 years, but they only covers the polar regions.

The bottom line is that it is very hard to separate the noise from the data (from the hype) when it comes to climate changes.

[Bill Verburg]

IMO, These guys live in the optimum climate

[Moneyguy1]

John..
The last ice age was appx. 10,000 years ago. Not that long in geological terms.

The kind of things that bother me in a discussion like this are anomolies like the mammoths in Siberia; frozen solid (almost flash frozen) with the meat still edible (in fact even served at meeting of a British Society meeting in the late 1800s) and the food in their gut undigested. How did this happen? Can a climate change in a very short time? Can we be sure that it cannot?

I probably will not be around to see any vast change. At least I hope not.