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[Matt Holcomb]

Despite the confronting nature of the killer's videos, I commend NBC for airing them because it will help people understand why the tragedy occurred, which, in turn, might prevent future mass shootings.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Matt Holcomb
Despite the confronting nature of the killer's videos, I commend NBC for airing them because it will help people understand why the tragedy occurred, which, in turn, might prevent future mass shootings.

That's what I was thinking.

We have pwd claiming here that this will give a deranged person or two a "reason" to go on a killing spree. I see it as giving the vast majority of the non-deranged to see how warning signs were treated with apathy. I see it as the vast majority of non-deranged looking at this, saying something like: "you know, I know that person I see around is weird, and I didn't *think* he'd *hurt* anyone, and I didn't want to get involved......but after this, I will get involved." This may be the very coverage that might be pushing those to get more involved across the country, including law enforcement.

[The Gaijin]

I think we all worry about the copy-cat thing. You hate to "empower" this nutcase from beyond the grave.

[Rick V]

Hey Sonic,
Have you ever been to a range? Send a target about 100 yards away and eat the buls-eye? Not all can do that. Grab a Pepsi can, throw it away from you and start "plinking", every time you hit it it gets further away, making the next shot a little harder than the last. Ever shoot skeet, ever go phasant hunting, deer,squirell,rabbit,bear? Everything I just listed is best performed with a diff. firearm. It's no diff. than racing, one car doesn't fit every track, not all guns are for every situation.
Do you realize that a gun kept in good condition will never loose value, yes they can be used as investments. (not high yeild).
I gave my son his first rifle when he was 16, what do you think the chances are of that gun ever leaving his possision? I have some of my fathers guns. In your mind these are red-neck heirlooms, if that is the case you just don't get it, and shouldn't comment on others hobby.
You don't have your location posted with your name but if I had to guess I would say either in the north east of the left coast.

[KFC911]

Originally posted by Rick V
Hey Sonic,....I gave my son his first rifle when he was 16, what do you think the chances are of that gun ever leaving his possision? I have some of my fathers guns. In your mind these are red-neck heirlooms, if that is the case you just don't get it, and shouldn't comment on others hobby.
You don't have your location posted with your name but if I had to guess I would say either in the north east of the left coast.

I've owned my first gun since I was eleven (belonged to my great, great, great grandfather) given to me when my grandfather passed on. I'm obviously biased, but I've never seen the 'gun nuts' here on PPOT that Sonic refers too (heck, maybe I'm one of them ). I have seen a few 'loose screws' that seem to have forgotten what freedom means and the GUARANTEES that our constitution provides... 'nuff said, you guys can debate it all you want, but it is what it is...

[VINMAN]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
During commercials I switch to 27 to catch Scrubs - I am really hot for Elliot and Jordan, those babes are hotties!

+1 !

[Superman]

Make up your minds. Be consistent. Is it about what's good......or is it about what's commercial?

[Superman]

Let's continue this discussion.

What's good for corporations is good for America, right? The stuff that makes money is the stuff that's good for society.

so.....what's the problem? News sensationalizing is pretty standard now. It sells.

Is somebody suggesting that commerce and social good are not necessarily aligned?

[Superman]

There's another thing I wonder. Would it have been cheaper to treat this young man and get him appropriate help.......or is it cheaper to just let these kinds of people die at their hands. And then there's the most important question:

As we know, more than two dozen people paid for this man's mental illness with their lives. If we decided to treat guys like that, then of course those people would not pay with their lives, but somebody would pay with their money. Who pays? The people who have money......or the people who do not?

[livi]

Originally posted by Superman
There's another thing I wonder. Would it have been cheaper to treat this young man and get him appropriate help.......or is it cheaper to just let these kinds of people die at their hands. And then there's the most important question:

As we know, more than two dozen people paid for this man's mental illness with their lives. If we decided to treat guys like that, then of course those people would not pay with their lives, but somebody would pay with their money. Who pays? The people who have money......or the people who do not?

I guess even the strictest Pro-Life person would keep her voice down if this guy had been aborted before birth..

[dd74]

Originally posted by Superman

If we decided to treat guys like that, then of course those people would not pay with their lives, but somebody would pay with their money. Who pays? The people who have money......or the people who do not?

Not exactly. He was "treated" in 2005, and that treatment was instigated by his parents - they threw him in a mental hospital. However, that treatment didn't help much, did it?

[Superman]

I think I've figured it out. Ordinarily, the price we pay for mental illness does not include murder but whether it does or not, we pay private industry some big bucks to repair the damage. Fixing the problem before the damage occurs would reduce this commerce. So obviously, it's in the public's best interest to let the problem continue.

[the]

Originally posted by dd74
Not exactly. He was "treated" in 2005, and that treatment was instigated by his parents - they threw him in a mental hospital. However, that treatment didn't help much, did it?

The problem with a lot of psychotics is that it is treatable with medication.

So when the guy is on his meds, he's reasonably ok.

But when he decides to go off them, he's not.

What do you do about that? Kinda tough to have a 24 hour guard on every adult on psychotic drugs in the US.

[Tobra]

Originally posted by slakjaw
My fuchking God.... This just became a political thing didnt it. All because NBC has it? is that why?

oh grow up. Just because a group is acting in a reprehensible way and is chasitsed does not make the response politically motivated

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
SOMEONE has to be demanding this stuff, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Before pointing the finger of blame (although NBC certainly has sunk several notches on the "journalistic credibility" scale for their sleazy actions), let's look in the mirror.

Please, they think they will profit from this, it is infotainment, plain and simple

Originally posted by cool_chick
That's what I was thinking.

We have pwd claiming here that this will give a deranged person or two a "reason" to go on a killing spree. I see it as giving the vast majority of the non-deranged to see how warning signs were treated with apathy. I see it as the vast majority of non-deranged looking at this, saying something like: "you know, I know that person I see around is weird, and I didn't *think* he'd *hurt* anyone, and I didn't want to get involved......but after this, I will get involved." This may be the very coverage that might be pushing those to get more involved across the country, including law enforcement.

People were scared of this guy before he did this, former room mates, teachers etc. The "the vast majority of non-deranged" people can already recognize someone who is scary crazy.

It is incomprehensible to me that it is not clear to all that this is rewarding bad behavior, mad dog murder spree, by giving the perpetrator exactly what he wants, posthumously.

How do you not see that rewarding a certain behavior encourages exactly the same behavior to be repeated? I guess common sense truly is an oxymoron.

As we calmly, or in some cases not so calmly, debate this stuff, there is some dangerous psychopath cleaning his guns and polishing his manifesto.

[BGCarrera32]

Originally posted by Matt Holcomb
Despite the confronting nature of the killer's videos, I commend NBC for airing them because it will help people understand why the tragedy occurred, which, in turn, might prevent future mass shootings.

Oh good grief how stooopid are you people? The guy gunned everybody down because he was a nut job. Then the lowest rated of the big 3 networks throws his tape on and starts running it ad-nauseum to boost ratings. If you just lost your son or daughter and they ran this crap within 2 days while everyone is still grieving over the lost, I bet you'd be just a little peeved.

Grow up.

[pwd72s]

Tobra? Well said...

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by BGCarrera32
Oh good grief how stooopid are you people? The guy gunned everybody down because he was a nut job. Then the lowest rated of the big 3 networks throws his tape on and starts running it ad-nauseum to boost ratings. If you just lost your son or daughter and they ran this crap within 2 days while everyone is still grieving over the lost, I bet you'd be just a little peeved.

Grow up.

exactly. there is no purpose in showing that material to the public. keep it private . this adds insult to injury for all the victims and their families involved. NBC should be fired !

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by Superman


Who pays? The people who have money......or the people who do not?

"let each contribute according to his ability. let each take according to his need." -Karl Marx

Gee Super, we all know (at least those living in the former USSR) how well that worked out, don't we? You seem to hate corporate America. So, you think a nation managed by bureaucracy would increase the lot of the common man?

[Cdnone1]

on-ramp
Your over simplification of "corporate America" and their "obligation is to the shareholder on Wall st" is silly.
I hold stock in lots of mutual funds that send me the perspectives every quater. I don't usually read them to find out all the thousands of companies that they own/hold stock in.
It is intellectually dishonest or just to easy to hide behind the typical Corporate America and Evil Wall Street stuff.
All Companies in a Capatialist society are set up to make $$$$$$$$$$
I personally don't agree with what NBC did and it apears that the market/public are already punishing them for it.
So stop with the lazy evil corporation stuff

Steve

[KFC911]

Originally posted by Tobra
...
How do you not see that rewarding a certain behavior encourages exactly the same behavior to be repeated? I guess common sense truly is an oxymoron.

As we calmly, or in some cases not so calmly, debate this stuff, there is some dangerous psychopath cleaning his guns and polishing his manifesto.

That's what I've been thinking since I first saw it on the news. For the same reason that kidnapper's ransoms aren't paid (at least publicly), and hostage taker's demands aren't met, etc., this should have made the "news" with a LOT more restraint. Sonic, I wouldn't disagree with many of the points you've made.