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Originally posted by berettafan
What on earth does Maryland's stance on slavery have to do with any of this? I've lived on this earth for 34 years and have yet to meet somebody waving a confederate flag who showed an ability to accept any intelligent, kind human as an equal regardless of color. Sure some folks don't put the flag in their front yard and you don't hear hateful racial slurs in their day to day conversations but get behind closed doors with them, say in a poker game or at the golf course and lo and behold the hatred spews out like a budweiser keg with a hole in the side of it!

Am i the only person here who associates the confederate flag with ignorant bigots? Is everyone else here living in some alternate universe where rebel flag waving dimwits actually despise bigotry in all it's forms and admonish their children to avoid associating with people who use terms like n****r or spook or k*** in normal conversation?

I call it like i see it guys and what i see is ugly.

Yes, it was abused, but gays have ruined the word Gay, Queer & Fag as well as the rainbow. I'm sorry, if you really feel as anyone who flies the Stars & Bars is a bigot, I feel sorry for you, as you have bought into the racinst naacp & jesse jackson BS:(

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I know my heritage, and am proud of it, but like all American, not all is positive, but many like to over look their own, or make up one while trying to keep mine down. So who is really the close minded ones??

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Originally posted by Rick V
Seems strange to me that any symbol from the civil war, on the southen side seems to have a negative reaction.
As a social experiment, I place a battle flag plate on the front of a big 'ol dodge truck I had. I was met with alot of comments. From some people, I was yelled at and told I should have to attone for my forefathers. That is a big joke, I am only the second generation in America. My family (either side) wasn't even here during the time of slavery. I owe nobody anything.
I was cheered by some folks that I wouldn't want living next to me.
It seems funny to me that symbols of history still hold that much emotion.
Barretta, you have met me, do I seem like a racest to you? I hope not.
Our past history isn't the best, but isn't that what makes who we are today?

Rick we are saying the same thing i think and your post makes my point perfectly. I am referring to TODAY, not what someone else did years ago. I don't care what somebody's great great uncle did years ago. My paternal grandfather was, by all reports, a worthless SOB who mistreated his kids and gave them a terrible home. He arrived via boat from Norway. Notice that i don't attack our scandinavian Pelican friends as useless drunken SOB's unfit for fatherhood. Today is what we make of it and looking back to events of the past only serves to divert our attention from what is going on in the world NOW.

And yes i consider you to be very nice guy and would welcome you in my home ANY time.

White sheets have been used by certain groups to aid in the spread of hate. Therefore all people who own white sheets are hate-mongering bigots. The worst offenders are the ones who hang them on display while drying. Those insensitive bastards.

Excellent reasoning. I've seen the error of my ways and I'm going home to burning all our sheets.

Cash you crack me up.

And B, I can just see some people putting me in a group of folks who use these symbols today as a way to spread hate. Because I have friends who hold thier herritage close.

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Originally posted by berettafan
regardless of the reasons for the civil war your 'flag' has since been adopted by folks who hate blacks and other minority races. we're talking about current events, not history guys.

The American flag is also displayed by the same racist bigots. Should we put that away too?

You are, in fact, supporting those who wish to make the Confederate flag a symbol of something that it is not. You are supporting the position of those who profit by perverting history and perpetuating racial tension, without which they would hold no power.

I suppose we should remove the American flag, now that supporting our laws and our sovereignty are racist in the face of an invasion of illegal immigrants.

Racer are you saying i'm not supposed to make an assumption that all confederate flag wavers are bigots but it's okay for you to assume that anyone who finds the same flag distasteful is an NAACP member?

I tell people what i think of the NAACP and i'm instantly classified as a typical white bigot. I tell people what i think of white folks who find other races to be below them and i'm classified as an NAACP life member......Guess i need to find myself some 'Heritage' so i can claim some legitimacy for my opinions.

Embrace the white devil within you :D

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Originally posted by cashflyer
White sheets have been used by certain groups to aid in the spread of hate. Therefore all people who own white sheets are hate-mongering bigots. The worst offenders are the ones who hang them on display while drying. Those insensitive bastards.

Excellent reasoning. I've seen the error of my ways and I'm going home to burning all our sheets.

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I for one am not going to sit by while others corrupt and missuse a symble of my heritage, that is how you loose it. Has is been used for hate, yes, do people like me come out against those who pervert it, yes.

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The Real Flag Of The Ku Klux Klan
http://www.rulen.com/kkk/

* * ATTENTION * * A note to the reader. This is NOT a Pro KKK site!! In fact, it is the direct opposite.

This site is meant to educate the reader that the KKK has used the United States Of America's "Stars and Stripes" flag MORE than compared to the Confederate Battle Flag.

Do NOT be confused... The Confederate Battle Flag IS NOT the official flag of the KKK. Please keep this in mind.

Again, this website does not condone, sanction, promote or affiliate ourselves with the KKK in any way. This should be obvious from reading the text of the website. Please, read on...

Television, history books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies concerning the Confederate States Of America Battleflag.

Mainly, that the Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol that represents slavery, terror, crime and that it represents the the KKK.

BUT, this is far from the truth. Of all KKK meetings, actual photographs / films from past to present, KKK cable access talk shows, etc all PROUDLY boast as being an AMERICAN society.

NOT a Southron or Confederate society!!!!! But AMERICAN!!!

Along with that, over 95 percent of the flags they fly are of the United States Of America's "Stars and Stripes" flag!!!!

As well, in the height of the KKK movement, the largest segment was from the north in the 1920's. And the Grand Dragon was from the Federal stronghold of Indiana. A man by the name of David Stevenson. There were over 6 million members at this time!!!! This is plain and simple fact.

Don't believe it??? Then take a look at the photos below (which date from turn of century to present) and see for yourself!!!! A picture is worth a hundred thousand words in this case...

So, as you can plainly see, heritage groups such as the SCV and descendants of the Confederacy have been "painted" in a negative light due to the media, etc.

And the Confederate Battle Flag literally DOESN"T EVEN ENTER THE PICTURE!!!!!

As a matter of fact, heritage groups such as the SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans, battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups.

The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast:

HERITAGE - NOT HATE.

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From berettafan reasoning, this is a synble of hate, but we all know that is not true.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1182800241.jpg

Personally, I have never owned a CSA flag (country or of battle). I also have never owned a King's Colours flag either. There is no reason one battle flag should mean anything other than its historical significance.

If we need to be concerned with misplaced affiliations, then each of us should do his part to remove that unwarranted stigma. Like U2 taking back Helter Skelter from Charlie Manson, we too can make a difference.

I say we must take down that symbol of hatred.
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There... that's better. Offensive to nobody, right?

no cash, i've met plenty of people waving the American flag who aren't bigots. just can't say the same for the confederate flag.

are you not reading my posts? maybe you could put down the 'catch phrases for defending oneself from accusations of bigotry' manual and read what i am saying before jumping in.

if it happens that i come across a bunch of folks with confederate flag license plates who are not bigots i will certainly adjust my opinion. hasn't happened yet though. in fact, at this point i can think of ONE person who fits that billing, RickV, and that just isn't enough to sway my opinion. If it makes you feel better though i'll start keeping tabs on my personal experiences so i can report back to the board and take a vote on how i should interpret them.

What was in the kool aid at Pat's house, you guys are all nuts.

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Originally posted by berettafan
Racer are you saying i'm not supposed to make an assumption that all confederate flag wavers are bigots but it's okay for you to assume that anyone who finds the same flag distasteful is an NAACP member?

I tell people what i think of the NAACP and i'm instantly classified as a typical white bigot. I tell people what i think of white folks who find other races to be below them and i'm classified as an NAACP life member......Guess i need to find myself some 'Heritage' so i can claim some legitimacy for my opinions.

No, that is not what I'm saying. I'm pointing out that the naacp is a racist group who has done much to pervert the Stars & Bars, and I have friends of color who feel the same. I had a brother in college, and someone commented to him (not knowing he was one of our brothers) don't those guys in the Confederate clothes bother him, to which he answered,

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My great Grandfather wore that uniform and was proud to serve under that flag

and then pulled out a copy of a picture of his Great Grandfather and told them that he was a proud KA and SCV . He is a dentist now.

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So is this guy, a racist??

Good to know that you think that I'm a racist:mad:

Well we can agree the NAACP is a racist group.

But i don't borrow their opinions and call them my own. NAACP has zero to do with my expectations of people who carry the confed. flag.

And let me add that i understand what you and others are saying about the misuse of a symbol. And i am sorry if the symbol of a core part of your beliefs has been stolen by miscreants; i truly am.

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Originally posted by berettafan
Well we can agree the NAACP is a racist group.

But i don't borrow their opinions and call them my own. NAACP has zero to do with my expectations of people who carry the confed. flag.

And let me add that i understand what you and others are saying about the misuse of a symbol. And i am sorry if the symbol of a core part of your beliefs has been stolen by miscreants; i truly am.

Thanks, and I'm glad we agree on the racist naacp. After we get our flag back, we have to work on getting the correct meaning of white sheets back, I would hate to be dressed as a ghost on Halloween and get people pissed off at me.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1182802699.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1182802856.jpg

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Originally posted by berettafan
no cash, i've met plenty of people waving the American flag who aren't bigots. just can't say the same for the confederate flag.

I find it ironic that some of the same people who espouse a philosophy of judging people each on their individual merit, are often the people who are quick to label all wavers of the flag as bigots. Isn't this is the very essence of prejudice?

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Originally posted by berettafan
And let me add that i understand what you and others are saying about the misuse of a symbol.

I would have to be blind to not be aware that the Confederate battle flag and similar flags have been used by hate groups, and has come to be seen as a symbol of hate to some people. But the flag is also used as a symbol of a proud Southern heritage for many people.

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no cash, prejudice says 'i don't like you because you are black' not 'i don't like you because you act like an imbecile and expect to be fed at the expense of others who are willing to work so you can sit on your lazy ass and duck calls from rent-a-center all damn day'.

these are two VERY different things and should NOT be confused. the second statement above is called an informed judgement. the first is called bigotry, racism, prejudice, etc.

This thread would make Pat very happy.

By the way you can't trust them blacks. I have one in my own house that sneaks candy out of the kitchen!

So, your informed judgement is that since I proudly display a Confederate flag, that I "act like an imbecile and expect to be fed at the expense of others who are willing to work so you can sit on your lazy ass and duck calls from rent-a-center all damn day"?

You might want to purchase a dictionary. Some of the words have broader meanings than you may know.

prej·u·dice
Function: noun
a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

Kurt... Keep your eye on the salmon. You know how they like canned salmon.

Nice, thanks for bringing this thread back to what it was ment to be. The sharing of a good weekend among friends. Tell Steph, nice job, Waht she sees in you I will never understand. :)