Tattoo

[The Gaijin]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

There are many laws in the OT. Many are ceremonial laws, if you aren't a Jew then you aren't under ceremonial laws. The NT is clear on this point.

OT Moral law is different.

This is the way I have come to understand it.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

Wow where did that come from? No one here is judging you. Unless you claim to believe, which I don't think you do I don't see where all the hostility comes from.

Of all the reasons I can think of to not get a tat, quoting the Bible is about the least compelling to anyone who is even thinking about doing it. And saying your kids won't do it is pretty naiive. Kids can't legally get tattoos and by the time one can do so, they're no longer a kid.

However, I recall a Curb Your Enthusiam episode where Larry's recently-departed mother could not be buried in her grave plot because it was discovered that she had a tattoo on her rump. Conversely, I have known a few Holocaust survivors, who were Jewish, and made no attempt at all to hide the numbers on their arms. Others might even have seen those tattoos as a badge of honor. Everyone can rationalize anything one way or another, which makes any argument other than personal preference pretty weak, IMHO.

[Hetmann]

Nfw

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

...but I won't and neither will my children.

Funny and more than a bit naive in my opinion. I SINCERELY hope you are right but... I would have said this too once. How old are your children, Sammy?

My Story: My then-supersonic scholastic daughter, the one who is/was a National Hispanic Scholar, multi-lettered All-CIF waterpolo player, OVER 4.5 gpa, accepted-to-Ivy-League-schools as an undergrad, etc. went off to UCLA in 2000 and I would drive down from Pasadena to take her to dinner every other week. I was newly divorced and struggling so I needed the regular contact more than she did with me but....one night I am dropping her off and she pivots to get out of my car so the rear of her pants ride down on her and I see it. A TRAMP STAMP over her crack! The car door closed and I am just about apoplectic with upset. I couldn't stop thinking of it. This is my baby. The light of my life! She's beautiful in my opinion and she was now well, defiled as far as I am concerned.

Long story short, I found out it happened a few months before, during the week she was in Hawaii after high school that her mother gave her as a graduation gift. Her mother went with her to Hawaii and didn't know she & her friend got matching ones put in the same place. I read her the riot act. As calmly as I could but with a GREAT amount of upset in my voice and bearing I explained what that meant to people of my age in particular. And that it always will. "How will you explain this to your children?" "You can't even see it!" I got back all the protestations you would expect, etc. Bottomline, its still there. I am STILL upset as hell about it. I would have BET MY SOUL she wouldn't do this, but she did.

Despite your comments to the contrary you cannot know everything your child will do and you CERTAINLY can't (and shouldn't, though in situations like this it pains me to say it) control what they do in the future.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by frogger

What was the point of the first three paragraphs?

apparently to reinforce the idea that one should never make assumptions regarding the reading abilities of your audience

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Like I said, that's your business and after 30 years of walking around with something permanantly stained into your skin that has long since lost any coolness it ever had (if it had any at all) you can say you really got one over on me

I walked around for 30 years thinking and saying the same thing as you, though not for religious purposes. I even told Jim when I saw the tattoo he had that I would never consider getting a tat, then he got shot and I changed my mind.

I did not get it to be cool. Your kids are going to do what they want when they are adults, so it is a bit of a reach to say neither you nor they will ever get one.

[frogger]

Originally Posted by Tobra

apparently to reinforce the idea that one should never make assumptions regarding the reading abilities of your audience.

Quite. The first three paragraphs were irrelevent to the thread. The writer assumed that we enjoyed the personal ramblings of a painted man. Know your audience.

[Overpaid Slacker]

Dan -
It makes me laugh a little... (though I think there's not much trashier than tramp stamps, and that's reason 13,400,003 I would never want a girlchild).

I got the first one -- the large cross on my upper arm -- when I was 27 or so. Finally found an artist who "got" my idea, and he'd worked all over the world, Japan, etc., so I trusted him. I was living in NYC, and had come up to Syracuse to visit (Irish Catholic) mom.

I walk into the kitchen one morning, in a t-shirt (which usually just covers the bottom of the tat). Mom's sitting there, having coffee, and I reach down into the dishwasher to grab something, which evidently stretches the shirt sleeve enough so the bottom inch of the tat shows.

Mom pfffffffts out her coffee and says, in that plaintive, incredulous Irish Catholic mom voice "WHY, oh WHY, did you get a tattoo on your body?!!"

I deadpan -- "mom, where else would I get a tattoo?"

JP

[Dan in Pasadena]

Slacker, I about "shat" as the expression goes.

If I am "out of step" or a duffer, etc. I don't care.

You are young enough (I assume) to have one and you STILL think "there is not much trashier". I am ALWAYS going to be terribly uncomfortable with the fact that she has this. Its never going to change. It doesn't make her other than the devoted, high achiever, highly successful daughter she has always been...but it is never far from my mind.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by frogger

Quite. The first three paragraphs were irrelevent to the thread. The writer assumed that we enjoyed the personal ramblings of a painted man. Know your audience.

Not so much. The writer assumed that anyone looking at this thread might realize the thread was about tattoos, due to the title. I thought that perhaps folks would read this and share a tale or two from their personal experience or what they think, a la Sammy or Dan the Man. It never occurred to me that someone with no interest at all would read and reply to this thread. I suppose it should not surprise me that those with nothing to contribute to the discussion will nevertheless insist on chiming in, thanks for your participation.

Interesting how it turned into a discussion about religion, everything is religion or politics here, curious.

[frogger]

The title and the last sentence of your original post were of interest. By the way, I voted on your poll. The rest was extraneous, though I understand that you might have a different feeling about it. Regarding the religion diversion, that's a bizzare tangent that I will steer clear of.

[Hugh R]

Don't care for them. I see one on a women, and I instantly think "Trailer Trash". With me the same goes for any piercings except one or two in the lobes of the ears. I never understood why pretty women would think they look better with nose, lip or eyebrow rings. Maybe they want to look strange. I don't get it.

[450knotOffice]

I'm not the typical guy who might have a tattoo, but I have one. I got it in the last year and had it done in French Polynesia. It's a little band of Polynesian symbols strung together around my upper arm above the sleeve line. It is out of the public eye, so most people have no idea, which is what I wanted to achieve when I had it placed so high up the arm. Personally, I like looking at it. It reminds me of an awesome visit to the islands that my wife and I had and ensures I will never forget it.

Personally, I don't really care if someone likes my tattoo or not. It's none of their business.

[Brian Cameron]

Whoa, Shaun, good quote, but you forgot one of the big ones! If you eat shrimp, lobster, mussels, clams or any form of shellfish, woe betide you:

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Sammy, which of these in Leviticus do you follow/not follow?

9:1 God spoke to Moses, telling him to

19:2 speak to the entire Israelite community and say to them: You must be holy, since I am God your Lord [and] I am holy.

19:3 Every person must respect his mother and father, and keep My Sabbaths. I am God your Lord.

19:4 Do not turn aside to false gods, and do not make yourselves gods out of cast metal. I am God your Lord.

19:5 When you offer a peace sacrifice to God, you shall do so of your own free will.

19:6 You can eat it on the day you sacrifice it and on the next day, but anything left over until the third day must be burned in fire.

19:7 If one [even plans to] eat it on the third day, it is considered putrid and it is not acceptable.

19:8 If one [then] eats it, he has desecrated that which is holy to God, and he shall bear his guilt. Such a person shall be cut off [spiritually] from his people.

19:9 When you reap your land's harvest, do not completely harvest the ends of your fields. [Also] do not pick up individual stalks [that have fallen].

19:10 [Furthermore,] do not pick the incompletely formed grape clusters in your vineyards. [Also] do not pick up individual [fallen grapes] in your vineyards. [All the above] must be left for the poor and the stranger. I am God your Lord.

19:11 Do not steal.

Do not deny [a rightful claim].

Do not lie to one another.

19:12 Do not swear falsely by My name; [if you do so], you will be desecrating your God's name. I am God.

19:13 Do not [unjustly] withhold that which is due your neighbor.

Do not let a worker's wages remain with you overnight until morning.

19:14 Do not curse [even] the deaf.

Do not place a stumbling block before the [morally] blind. You must fear your God. I am God.

19:15 Do not pervert justice. Do not give special consideration to the poor nor show respect to the great. Judge your people fairly.

19:16 Do not go around as a gossiper among your people.

Do not stand still when your neighbor's life is in danger. I am God.

19:17 Do not hate your brother in your heart.

You must admonish your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.
19:18 Do not take revenge nor bear a grudge against the children of your people.

You must love your neighbor as [you love] yourself. I am God.

19:19 Keep My decrees:
Do not crossbreed your livestock with other species.
Do not plant your field with different species of seeds.
Do not wear a garment that contains a forbidden mixture of fabrics.

19:20 If a man lies carnally with a slave woman who is half married to [another] man, and she has not been redeemed or given her freedom, she must be physically punished. However, since she has not been freed, [the two] shall not be put to death.

19:21 [The man] must bring his guilt offering to God, to the Communion Tent entrance. It shall be a ram for a guilt offering.

19:22 The priest shall make atonement for him before God with the guilt offering ram, for the sin that he committed. He will thus gain forgiveness for his sin.

Forbidden Practices
19:23 When you come to the [promised] land and plant any tree bearing edible [fruit], you must avoid its fruit as a forbidden growth. For three years [the fruit] shall be a forbidden growth, and it may not be eaten.
19:24 Then, in the fourth year, all [the tree's] fruit shall be holy, and it shall be something for which God is praised.
19:25 In the fifth year, you may eat its fruit and thus increase your crops. I am God your Lord.
19:26 Do not eat on blood.
Do not act on the basis of omens.
Do not act on the basis of auspicious times.

19:27 Do not cut off the hair on the sides of your head.
Do not shave off the edges of your beard.

19:28 Do not make gashes in your skin for the dead.
Do not make any tattoo marks on your skin. I am God.

19:29 Do not defile your daughter with premarital sex. You will then not make the land sexually immoral, and the land [will not] be filled with perversion.

19:30 Keep My Sabbaths and revere My sanctuary. I am God.

19:31 Do not turn to mediums, nor seek out oracles, so as to defile yourselves through them. I am God your Lord.

19:32 Stand up before a white head, and give respect to the old. You shall thus fear your God. I am God.

19:33 When a proselyte comes to live in your land, do not hurt his feelings.

19:34 The foreigner who becomes a proselyte must be exactly like one who is native born among you. You shall love him as [you love] yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am God your Lord.

19:35 Do not falsify measurements, whether in length, weight or volume.

19:36 You must have an honest balance, honest weights, an honest dry measure, and an honest liquid measure.

I am God your Lord who took you out of Egypt.

19:37 Safeguard My decrees and all My laws, and keep them. I am God.

[Brian Cameron]

Tobra -

your story is pretty unique, I think this thread would be remiss if we all sat around pissing and moaning about why one should / shouldn't get a tat.

Your story is about the memory of a man who obviously made a difference to a lot of people, and without whom the world is likely a poorer place.

I for one would like to see a pic of the tat that Jim Pantages inspired you - and others - to make a permanent part of your own bodies. If you're ok with that of course.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

Don't care for them. I see one on a women, and I instantly think "Trailer Trash". With me the same goes for any piercings except one or two in the lobes of the ears. I never understood why pretty women would think they look better with nose, lip or eyebrow rings. Maybe they want to look strange. I don't get it.

+1. Lived without them so far in life and believe that I will go out without one...

[IROC]

Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

I'm not the typical guy who might have a tattoo, but I have one. I got it in the last year and had it done in French Polynesia. It's a little band of Polynesian symbols strung together around my upper arm above the sleeve line. It is out of the public eye, so most people have no idea, which is what I wanted to achieve when I had it placed so high up the arm. Personally, I like looking at it. It reminds me of an awesome visit to the islands that my wife and I had and ensures I will never forget it.

Personally, I don't really care if someone likes my tattoo or not. It's none of their business.

Man, that sounds extremely cool. I'm almost embarrassed to admit, but my desire to get a tattoo started back in the '80s when I saw the Mel Gibson movie "The Bounty". I thought the Polynesian tattoos were very cool.

[Mule]

Did I click on "is there a God"

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by Mule

Did I click on "is there a God"

LOL I think that should read "How to be Kosher."

[Mule]

An untapped market, Kosher Tattoos! Ve put you ho tag. You gonna luv it!.

[livi]

I have been looking for a good tattoo theme for 20 years. I have now decided and will go carve both my upper outer (truly muscular) arms with the following:

Right arm: My kids names like this:

Olivia
Julia
Isak
Hannah

Left arm:

IX XI