Tobacco

[onewhippedpuppy]

Ummm, aren't there a multitude of medical studies that DO prove the health risks of second hand smoke?

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

I think your personal liberties end when they begin to effect my personal liberties. Restrictions on where and when are OK if they prove to be valuable in protect another's liberty, like second hand smoke.

You health is yours, you making the choice makes all the difference. It comes down between you and your family.

Just stay the heck away from me and we won't have a problem then

Years ago I found a very interesting article published by the surgeon general's office. It stated that there was no concrete proof that second-hand smoke has ever caused any deaths and that the current (then) ad campaign saying otherwise was without merit.

Since that time there have been contradictory statements and studies. The bottom line? They tax cigarettes and use part of the money to brainwash society.
Think for yourself, don't let them treat you like a mush-head.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Even IF second hand smoke had no effect on the health of others, it's still a respect issue. Why should my wife spend her entire meal coughing due to the smokers in the adjacent non-smoking section? It's one thing to have your own habit, but entirely another when you force it upon others against their will.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Ummm, aren't there a multitude of medical studies that DO prove the health risks of second hand smoke?

Find a lawyer. Million$$$$$ await you.

[varmint]

Even IF second hand smoke had no effect on the health of others, it's still a respect issue. Why should my wife spend her entire meal coughing due to the smokers in the adjacent non-smoking section? It's one thing to have your own habit, but entirely another when you force it upon others against their will.



you have it exactly backwards. there is nothing preventing you, or anyone, from starting a restaurant, and banning smokers.

scumbag fascists like rob reiner force their will on private property owners, telling them where and when they can't smoke.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Smoking as a public health issue moves it beyond a mere inconvenience, and into something prone to legislation.

I agree that there is nothing preventing restraunts from going to entirely non-smoking establishments. The respect side of it falls more on personal responsibility for the individual.

[Mule]

Meatheads of a feather

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Just stay the heck away from me and we won't have a problem then

Years ago I found a very interesting article published by the surgeon general's office. It stated that there was no concrete proof that second-hand smoke has ever caused any deaths and that the current (then) ad campaign saying otherwise was without merit.

Since that time there have been contradictory statements and studies. The bottom line? They tax cigarettes and use part of the money to brainwash society.
Think for yourself, don't let them treat you like a mush-head.

Cough... cawoff.... no problem. When I want to enjoy a filet I don't want the air around it to reek of an ash tray, just a personal thing.

Now a scotch and cigar on the veranda is entirely different.

[kach22i]

UPDATE ......................5 years later.

Vladimir Putin has really done it this time, could be the end of him and his cronies.

Russia smoking ban takes effect
Associated Press – Sat, Jun 1, 2013
Russia smoking ban takes effect

MOSCOW (AP) — A law that bans smoking in public places has taken effect in Russia, a contentious move in a country with one of the highest smoking rates in the world.
The ban, which came into force Saturday, prohibits smoking in workplaces, schools, universities and on public transportation. More restrictions will be applied a year later.
Authors of the ban have pointed to the hundreds of thousands of Russians who die of smoking-related illnesses every year. The measure has been approved by both houses of parliament and signed by President Vladimir Putin.
Cigarettes are much cheaper in Russia than in the U.S. and Europe, with the price of a pack starting at about $1. About 40 percent of Russians smoke.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by the

Nothing wrong with a system of voluntary population reduction.

Yeah, they may add to the healthcare costs, but a smoker who goes out at 60 is still probably going to cost us less than he would have if he not been a smoker and gone out at 85.

If only they died at 60 with their own insurance.

More frequently, smokers live farther and farther into old age bleeding the system and had smoked their insurance premiums while they were (presumably) productive but lived on medicaid. Lose, lose.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by pavulon

If only they died at 60 with their own insurance.

More frequently, smokers live farther and farther into old age bleeding the system and had smoked their insurance premiums while they were (presumably) productive but lived on medicaid. Lose, lose.

Smokers' early deaths may be a boon to the Czech Republic's finances, a study commissioned last year by Philip Morris Cos. said.

U.S. consulting firm Arthur D. Little International Inc. studied the impact of smoking on Czech public finances at Philip Morris' request in November 2000. The study found the cost benefits of smokers' early mortality, together with cigarette-tax revenue, outweighed the economic drawbacks of health-care and other smoking-related costs.

CNN.com - Study for Philip Morris found smokers' early deaths helped Czech finances - Jul. 16, 2001

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by pavulon

If only they died at 60 with their own insurance.

More frequently, smokers live farther and farther into old age bleeding the system and had smoked their insurance premiums while they were (presumably) productive but lived on medicaid. Lose, lose.

That simply is not true. Just the oposite is true, but the truth is not very popular with this movement.

People who die from smoking do so at a younger age than if they didn't smoke and end up costing LESS in total health care than if they didn't smoke.
Same goes with other gubmint social services like social security, medicare, pensions, etc.
They SAVE society money by smoking and that doesn't even touch on all the BS taxes they have to pay on that tobacco.

I used to smoke but quit.
I quit because I wanted to, not because a bunch of bleeding heart liberal dweebs told me to.

[FrankyV]

Good news, really where would we put all those extra people if they hadn't smoked and were still here? And I am glad to see they smoke like crazy in the far east because there is no way to feed all those people if everyone starts living to 75 or so.

[widebody911]

I hate the smell of smoke (pot, cigarette, pipe, etc). If you want to do it in your house, fine, but I don't want to have to smell it, or see your butts all over the place.

Back in the olden days, I worked in offices where you were allowed to smoke. That sucked.

Want to save money on healthcare? Simply stop covering smoking-related diseases for smokers.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

That simply is not true. Just the oposite is true, but the truth is not very popular with this movement.

People who die from smoking do so at a younger age than if they didn't smoke and end up costing LESS in total health care than if they didn't smoke.
Same goes with other gubmint social services like social security, medicare, pensions, etc.
They SAVE society money by smoking and that doesn't even touch on all the BS taxes they have to pay on that tobacco.

I used to smoke but quit.
I quit because I wanted to, not because a bunch of bleeding heart liberal dweebs told me to.

This just in 12 years ago: Philip Morris (the company that sells 80% of cigarettes in the Czech Republic) study finds smoking saves countries money!! Who could have known a tobacco company would conclude something like that?

You may have zero'd out the credibility meter but good on you for quitting smoking regardless of what dweeb convinced you it was a good idea.

[livi]

One of the most clever business agendas in the world. Money talks. Smoke em if you got em. Plain stupid, but still. Wish I had a large chunk on the stock market. Lets make every kid an addict and make a billion bucks. Thats cool.

[gatotom]

If you want to smoke, well, its your business BUT there is one thing that drives me up a wall is the butts. Why does a smoker think the whole world is a ashtray??

I have had random cars stop in my parking lot and empty there ashtray on my lot, WTF!!

Never forgot my oldest when he was 2, we were at a house visiting and the guy of the house smoke and the ashtray was full on the coffee table and my son leaning on the table and points to the ashtray and says his first sentence" your ashtray is dirty". We all busted out with a laugh but the guy got up and cleaned the ashtray.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Smoking epidemic........hahahahahahaha. As if it's Ebola. Personal responsibility and Darwin. Everyone knows that smoking is linked to cancer. If you CHOOSE to smoke, it's the risk you take.

The problem with all comments in this vein is that tobacco co.s work hard to get children hooked. Then it is very very hard for the older adult to get clean.

BTW - what time does the Joe Camel cartoon show come on?

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by 911Rob

Safety rails, air bags, cross walks, and now tobacco. What's next?

Mandatory bubble-wrap suits

[monoflo]

Let face it government loves the revenue from sin tax --B4 prohibition and income tax alcohol financed everything. Tobacco is still subsidized by government -talk about speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

The line here is where does this control thing stop - yep smoking is bad for you but so is booze, fatty foods, drugs, skydiving. The Bif suit for all looks like the future.

Life kills ya -no one gets out of here alive.