Kit car lambo

[rammstein]

Fieros are cool. There's videos out there of them with small blocks installed. Those look like a LOT of fun. I'd just keep the outside dirty, rusty, and stock, so nobody ever knew.

[rammstein]

Its like with women- I'd rather have a quiet, reserved lady who in the privacy of my home is an animal. I don't necessarily need her parading around town half nude to make people jealous. Well, maybe that is kinda cool.... now I can't decide. I like chicks and cars.

[The Gaijin]

Funny thing is - early Lambos were pretty much kit cars.. They were makers of tractors.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by The Gaijin

Funny thing is - early Lambos were pretty much kit cars.. They were makers of tractors.

Aww, come on. That's not really the case. They were better built than a comparable Ferrari of that era. Yes, Ferruccio also had plants that made tractors (nice ones, too) and heating equipment, among other ventures, but when he built his car factory it was state of the art for those days. Better than Ferrari, better than Porsche, and yes, I saw it with my own two eyes, not just pictures in a book.

He had things like a gearbox dyno, to break in the gearboxes prior to installing them in a car (not to mention, reverse gear was synchronized, too...) If anything, his cars were rushed to market too fast and they could have been better with a little more development.

Kit cars are vastly inferior, if you actually have driven one.

JR

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

So would you drive a fiero Sniper? I mean esentially it has all the good features you listed...

I would definitely drive a super charged and nitrous injected Fierro GT.

Honestly, as a CAR, the Fierro was a far better and more USEABLE machine than a Countach.

The Lambo Countach was a horribly executed and hideously flawed machine with atrocious visibility, pathetic ergonomics, and a penchant for overheating.

And yet they're coveted....

[The Gaijin]

Cobbled together with FIAT lights and Alfa switches and who knows what.... But, yes who cares?

The original Countach is the still the most amazing looking car ever to drive down a road.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Honestly, as a CAR, the Fierro was a far better and more USEABLE machine than a Countach.

The Lambo Countach was a horribly executed and hideously flawed machine with atrocious visibility, pathetic ergonomics, and a penchant for overheating.

And yet they're coveted....

How many miles have you covered in either one? Are we speaking from experience here, or just ad-libbing?

JR

[the]

He doesn't have a Countach, but he does have a LeBaron. Convertible, even.

[afterburn 549]

$20,000 Is snot a alot of $$ for all the labor and parts...You can embarrass me anytime. Give it to me.
A turbo will make it fly
Not every one wants a P car
A hotrodder built that, credit is due !

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by javadog

How many miles have you covered in either one? Are we speaking from experience here, or just ad-libbing?

JR

I've driven some fierro's. Never a countach, but my eyes work just fine, and the hundred reviews i've read over the years all say the same thing.

They were deeply flawed machines.

Friend of mine also worked at Kerbeck over in NJ, one of the biggest Lambo dealers around, and he said the same thing. In fact he said it derisively and dismissively, labeling the cars crap. He likes the Diablo.

I reckon he's driven more Lambos than the rest of us on this board have seen.

Originally Posted by the

He doesn't have a Countach, but he does have a LeBaron. Convertible, even.

Sold that for a 300% profit.

Replaced it with a Catera (really nice car for the money,btw), and of course i have the 928.

Originally Posted by The Gaijin

Cobbled together with FIAT lights and Alfa switches and who knows what.... But, yes who cares?

The original Countach is the still the most amazing looking car ever to drive down a road.

One of them, to be sure.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

I've driven some fierro's. Never a countach...

That's what I figured. By the way, it's spelled "Fiero." Let's take your previous comments in order.

The outward visibilty seems to be an issue the first time you drive a Countach. After you get over that, it's a non issue. Backing up is no problem (even without doing it like the idiots that sit on the sill with the door up; they're just begging for attention.) Vision in the other directions is fine and the outside mirrors are convex. Stevie Wonder would have a problem but I never did.

Ergonomically they are actually quite nice, unless you are freakishly tall or hideously fat. I'm neither of those. There's actually quite a lot of room inside, as the cars are quite wide. The gearshift lever is right where you want it, as are the steering wheel and pedals. The steering wheel diameter is a bit small for some and I'd rather have had a different seat belt but that was about it.

As for overheating, that's just more BS. Mine maintained a water temp of between 75C and 80C. The oil temp was 5 degrees higher. It didn't matter how hot it was outside or how hard I was driving it, it never got hotter than that. Keep in mind I live in Oklahoma, where it gets a wee bit hot in July and August.

Think what you want but until you have lived with one, you really shouldn't have such strong opinions. They're not well founded.

JR

[m21sniper]

Like i said a good friend has driven hundreds of them(Lambos of all types actually) and he supports everything ive ever read in print. And my how all those words in print all are in near universal agreement.

And then there's you....

Perhaps youre just overly attatched and protective of your deeply flawed italian toy.

It's perfectly understandable, and i'm glad you liked yours. But you certainly don't seem very objective when your glowing review is weighed against the body of evidence. However next time it comes up, i'll be sure to mention that i know a dude that said the issues are overhyped. Your opinion goes into the mix.

And really, correcting me on spelling errors? Anal retentive much? Or are ya just a dick? Sorry, spell check doesn't work properly on Opera. Shrug.

LOL.

PS: The Countach's were known for overheating in heavy urban traffic. Ive lived in oklahoma, there sure isnt much of that there. At any rate this thread had now exceeded my threshold for caring. The last word is yours if you wish it.

[Playa76911S]

Why yall hatin on the kit car guys...just because someone cant afford the real thing you shouldn't look down on him doin the best he can. The honeys at da club dont know its a fake...its like a fake rolex or fake lewey vitton...if nobody knows it then it dont matter. I think that lambo looks dope I would think he gets a lotta attention from that ride.

[the]

You tell em playa!

A fake Countach is no worse than a fake 911 with a VW engine in it. Da *****es can't tell.

[afterburn 549]

My flavorit pet peeve is the GT40 crowd
I would take one, kit, no kit, some are better then the real ones!!! ..yet a kit car!!
Others knock them..they are clueless
don't knock a "Hotrodder" He is almost like us..more custom personality maybe..not confined to the standard "way"

[Playa76911S]

Whatever dude...my 911 came from the PORSCHE FACTORY with a veedub engine and Mr. Porsche himself approved it so it aint no fake 911. An dont be disrespectin women with that language...obvious you dont do well wit da honeys.

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by Playa76911S

Whatever dude...my 911 came from the PORSCHE FACTORY with a veedub engine and Mr. Porsche himself approved it so it aint no fake 911. An dont be disrespectin women with that language...obvious you dont do well wit da honeys.

WTF ?? has a P car got to do with honeys ???
I don't need a chick magnet ....I have enough problems
I feel sorry for you that you think factory produced is the only way to go
You NEED to get in a CAV GT40 !!
It will make you think your P car is a DOG...cause it is compared to that.
They way in at less then 2000 lbs with air and around 300 to 500 hundred HP
I would not pick at it

[javadog]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Like i said a good friend has driven hundreds of them(Lambos of all types actually) and he supports everything ive ever read in print. And my how all those words in print all are in near universal agreement.

And then there's you....

Perhaps youre just overly attatched and protective of your deeply flawed italian toy.

It's perfectly understandable, and i'm glad you liked yours. But you certainly don't seem very objective when your glowing review is weighed against the body of evidence. However next time it comes up, i'll be sure to mention that i know a dude that said the issues are overhyped. Your opinion goes into the mix.

And really, correcting me on spelling errors? Anal retentive much? Or are ya just a dick? Sorry, spell check doesn't work properly on Opera. Shrug.

LOL.

PS: The Countach's were known for overheating in heavy urban traffic. Ive lived in oklahoma, there sure isnt much of that there. At any rate this thread had now exceeded my threshold for caring. The last word is yours if you wish it.

Why thank you, don't mind if I do.

I guess the point I was trying to make is this: Brief drives in a car don't tell you much. It takes a long time to get to know a car. None of the road testers ever lived with one of these for more than a few hundred miles. I've read the same tests you have. Maybe you should go back and reread a few of them. Just like the old adage that every 911 is an oversteering pig, or every 928 is an electrical nightmare waiting to happen, some things get repeated over and over and there's really not much truth in it.

Some things are just not disputable. My car never got hot. Period. End of story. I suppose a Countach could overheat, if the idiot that owned it never bled the air out of the cooling system, or it had some other fault. Not the car's problem. By the way, I'm guessing you lived for a time at any Army base here. Near Lawton? Hardly a large metro area, even for Oklahoma, so I guess you'll just have to take my word for the fact that we do have traffic in the bigger cities. I've lived here since 1959, so trust me on this one.

Sorry for picking on your spelling. I just couldn't help myself. A little dry humor, perhaps too dry for some tastes.

Cheers,
JR

[Embraer]

It is what it is. It's not everybody's cup of tea. Somebody mentioned that all knock-offs should be eliminated. How about a guy that takes a 911T and makes it into a Carrera RS? What about all of our back-dated 911's?

There still was a lot of time and effort put into that thing. Would I spend the money on it? Probably not....

All of this talk reminds me of a Fiero I saw at a Pontiac show several years ago. A grad student stuffed a 400hp Northstar V8 into a Fiero 2M4 as his capstone design project. Completely stock on the outside, but one of the cleanest installs ever. He even fabbed his own header system on it. Meanest sounding car there. Probably THE coolest car at this show.

[afterburn 549]

If knock offs should be eliminated (same as one offs) Lots of stuff would no longer be reproduced as that's thee only way to get them.
It is No sin to buy a blue print and make from scratch, but rather a compliment.