black bear advice

[Taz's Master]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Again, George presented the clearest, most realistic view and advice on this entire thread. These kinds of bears almost always wind up dead. The sooner that is accepted, the better it is for everyone involved (except the bear). No good ever comes of protracted efforts to "scare one off", or "discourage" one, or any of that nonsense. Relocating him only makes him someone else's problem - they will travel great distances to renew old habits. There isn't enough remote wilderness in the United States to get him out of everyone's way. By the time he is in the garbage cans or chicken coop, it's simply time to deal forcefully with the situation. Get a depredation permit if you are able, or have a fish cop (not Randy) come out and kill it and be done with it.

I disagree, killing the bear is a temporary solution. Killing one bear assumes that one bear is my problem. There are many bears around here, and all I can really accomplish is to make my property seem more trouble than the food it contains is worth.

[Jim Bremner]

YouTube - Auto Targeting Sentry Gun (video 8 of 18)



I was going to post my standard Claymore pic, but this is mo' better sense you want "live" bears

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Bullshyte. Sheer and utter bullshyte. You have no idea what my background is.

This has been a lifetime passion of mine, Randy. I would put my knowledge of North American game species up against yours any farkin' day of the week. And I have been out there with them, hunting them and observing them for damn near 40 years, first hand, up close and personal. ... You are flat ass wrong.

In my very first post on this matter, I was careful to say the superior number of black bear attacks on humans over those from grizzly bears may be due to proximity.

And no, Mr. "Research", grizzlies are no longer listed as "endangered" in the vast majority of their range. Not even "threatened" in most of it, as a matter of fact. Internationally, they aren't even on the watch list anymore. Their recovery in the late 20th / early 21st centuries has been astonishing. You must have missed that in your "research".

So, no, no confusion here, Randy. Not on my side. ..


...

Your profile says you are an engineer - why not stick to that?

You are way off base about virtually everything above - but HEY since you had to learn some simple math & lookup tables, and have killed some wildlife, I am sure you know a lot more than all the experts in the area.

You know nothing about grizzly recovery - and are probably not even aware that their major food source for winter is in severe decline. You likely even think they hibernate. They don't.

Looking at your postings, it is clear that you don't your azz from a hole in the ground.

So, Get off your high horse -- if you can figure out what a horse is.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

[B]...

I disagree, killing the bear is a temporary solution. Killing one bear assumes that one bear is my problem. There are many bears around here, and all I can really accomplish is to make my property seem more trouble than the food it contains is worth.

True.

The real soln. is to change the environment (food sources) so the bears are no longer attracted. But killing it could solve the problem for some time, depending on how many bears float thru the area.

[enzo1]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Generic term of endearment for our LEO's of the woods.



Yup, caught the first one but missed the second. "Target fixation", if you will. It's an oft repeated "axiom" that black bear are less dangerous than grizzlies. I like to stomp that one out wherever I see it.



Straight from the "YGTBFKM" department.

The WDFW has become rather infamous amongst hunters and fishermen for cozying up to hand-wringing ninny nit-wits like Carrie Hunt (there is a tasteless joke in there somewhere...). As a matter of fact, the WDFW would seemingly very much prefer our state's hunters kill no game and our fishermen catch no fish. They have become embroiled in (or maybe more like "consumed by") the very worst kind of liberal fee-good politics of game management imaginable. As such, you will simply never get the straight story on the success or failure of these kinds of programs from them. They have lost all objectivity, and are dominated by over-educated fools with nowhere near the field experience of backgrounds formerly required to hold their positions. The old guard has been first shouted down, and finally pushed out by this crowd. The WDFW is in serious trouble, and every sportsman in Washington understands that. They are out of control. Everything they touch gets fcked up in some way. This is no exception.

Thanks for the correction, didn't know that

[vash]

i read a very interesting article. they stated that hunting would save the grizzily. how? by making sure they stayed afraid of humans. the same principle would work on black bears. right now they just see us as animals that leave a tasty mess.

we have to train them a bit.

four pages? amazing.

[Rick Lee]

If you guys come across a show called Bear Whisperer, check it out. It's about the guy in Mammoth Lakes who is in charge of keeping the black bears away from people. He's a strong believer in making bears fear people and has all kinds of tricks to accomplish this. Great footage in this show.

[flatbutt]

at last count there were nearly 200 black bears in my county. this one is about 50 feet from my back door.



sorry for the crappy phone pic

here he is leaving the area



our game warden says short of killing him there is nothing I can do to discourage him.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by vash

four pages? amazing.

And how much of it is absolute trash talk? Personally I see this as a very dangerous thread. If a person who is not familiar with bears and the outdoors then takes some of this so called advise and heads outdoors, they very well may not return from their "jaunt in the woods!" The other thread about rattlesnakes IMHO is much the same.


Guys, some of you may think that this is something to joke about, but its not. These and other critters feel that you are lower on the food chain than they are, and without the assistance of Mr's Smith & Wesson or one of his friends, YOU ARE! This is nothing to fool around with.

[GWN7]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

And how much of it is absolute trash talk? Personally I see this as a very dangerous thread. If a person who is not familiar with bears and the outdoors then takes some of this so called advise and heads outdoors, they very well may not return from their "jaunt in the woods!" The other thread about rattlesnakes IMHO is much the same.


Guys, some of you may think that this is something to joke about, but its not. These and other critters feel that you are lower on the food chain than they are, and without the assistance of Mr's Smith & Wesson or one of his friends, YOU ARE! This is nothing to fool around with.

+1

You are food

My choice of bear discouragement is a Remington 1187 SP with a Aim Point scope

[Dantilla]

An uncle had bear problems at his very remote cabin until:

-Plastic bag full of ammonia
-Inside a burlap bag smeared with bacon grease

-All hung from cabin's eves.

Bear is attracted to bacon smell, swipes at the bag to get it down, gets a face full of ammonia.

No more bear problem.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Your profile says you are an engineer - why not stick to that?

You are way off base about virtually everything above - but HEY since you had to learn some simple math & lookup tables, and have killed some wildlife, I am sure you know a lot more than all the experts in the area.

You know nothing about grizzly recovery - and are probably not even aware that their major food source for winter is in severe decline. You likely even think they hibernate. They don't.

Looking at your postings, it is clear that you don't your azz from a hole in the ground.

So, Get off your high horse -- if you can figure out what a horse is.

I'm thinking you must want me to turn up my "humor detector" on this one, too.

Your knowledge of bear habits appears to be very much in line with your knowledge of many topics (and that of many PPOT/PARF pompous asses) - the five minute Wiki/Google search variety. The interwebs are a great tool for guys like you; they can almost make you appear knowledgeable in areas in which you "don't know your ass from a hole in the ground".

Anyway, I've already been drawn much deeper into one of your infamous pissing matches than I would like. I'll never understand guys like you. Most of us participate in forums like this to make friends, share our knowledge, and maybe learn something. Guys lie you that only show up to try to exercise your egos and alienate as many as possible (and derail almost every thread in which you participate by doing so) baffle me. So, I'll be signing off on this one.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Again, George presented the clearest, most realistic view and advice on this entire thread. These kinds of bears almost always wind up dead. The sooner that is accepted, the better it is for everyone involved (except the bear). No good ever comes of protracted efforts to "scare one off", or "discourage" one, or any of that nonsense. Relocating him only makes him someone else's problem - they will travel great distances to renew old habits. There isn't enough remote wilderness in the United States to get him out of everyone's way. By the time he is in the garbage cans or chicken coop, it's simply time to deal forcefully with the situation. Get a depredation permit if you are able, or have a fish cop (not Randy) come out and kill it and be done with it.

I disagree, killing the bear is a temporary solution. Killing one bear assumes that one bear is my problem. There are many bears around here, and all I can really accomplish is to make my property seem more trouble than the food it contains is worth.

This bear already has learned a behavior that will be impossible to break. You can certainly discourage future bear interest, but this one already has it. Eliminate this bear, and take steps to make your place less attractive to the others who have not yet picked up his bad habits. It's a two-pronged approach.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

So, I'll be signing off on this one.

IMHO He is not worth wasting your time with Jeff.

It could be a conversation with Einstein and he would argue that he knew more about physics, so why waste your time. Talking with a fence post or a cat would be more productive and both of you would have a much better time.

[Jimmysidecarr]

So far I like these the best..

1. Bacon smeared can of pepper spray.

2. Bacon smeared bag of Ammonia.(both posted just outside of the chicken coupe)

3. And as a last resort, a dead rogue black bear via 12 gauge slug, found and killed inside the chicken coupe after tripping an alarm bell. (or alarm method of choice, be careful if you are not an experienced hunter)

Any remaining bears should be deterred by continued usage of methods 1 and 2 before they acquire a taste for local home grown chickens or garbage.

I believe these to be realistic, reasonable measures to a very serious safety issue.




or you could distract the bear and lure it to your neighbor's house.(just kidding)

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

...

Your knowledge of bear habits appears to be very much in line with your knowledge of many topics (and that of many PPOT/PARF pompous asses) - the five minute Wiki/Google search variety. The interwebs are a great tool for guys like you; they can almost make you appear knowledgeable in areas in which you "don't know your ass from a hole in the ground".

Anyway, I've already been drawn much deeper into one of your infamous pissing matches than I would like. I'll never understand guys like you. Most of us participate in forums like this to make friends, share our knowledge, and maybe learn something. Guys lie you that only show up to try to exercise your egos and alienate as many as possible (and derail almost every thread in which you participate by doing so) baffle me. So, I'll be signing off on this one.

Excuse me, BWANA! You are the one who started a "pissing match" as you call it.

Since you like the internet so much, feel free to look me up. You will no doubt find some of my publications on Google Scholar.

I suggest you look up the psychological term "projection" also - your PARFing is like Joeassk's -- you cannot contain yourself in PARF and show up on other forums trying to exercise your egos and alienate people.

Again, bosco, you attacked me. Go back and read thru the thread again. It is you who avoid being on the bbs to make friends, share knowledge, and maybe learn something.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by RWebb

You will no doubt find some of my publications on Google Scholar.

But of course.

[RWebb]

Why, it's little Rickie -- you whackos travel in packs. Stay in PARF.

[Rick Lee]

Yes, thanks for setting me straight. I'll steer clear of Google Scholar too. Amazing how no one here views you as the expert you fancy yourself to be (in all subjects). But you do know how to entertain. I keep meaning to put you on ignore, but then you're the gift who keeps on giving. Thank you for all you do. I mean that.

[juanbenae]

clearly, the bear is no longer the problem here!