Senna

[porsche4life]

Yup... 4.99 for HD 3.99 for regular....

Hmm. I may have to rent it on the Apple TV at my parents....

[Flieger]

The DVD will be released in the US format in March. That is according to the Motorsport Collector, which asked the director/producer guy for the Senna documentary.

[Doug E]

Finally saw it last night and thought it was a great movie. Incredible insights to the world of F1 and the relationships, politics, pressures, etc.

The director(s)/editor(s) did an amazing job piecing all the footage together to tell such a story. Hard to believe something can be made today without any CGI or recreated scenes.

I had forgotten it was Schui who was chasing him down when he went off. Would have been fascinating to have seen another 5 years of them battling it out on the track.

[dennis in se pa]

"I think they didn't want to get anywhere near the "would Senna have beaten Michael" argument." - nostatic

I was not into Formula One during Senna's time period. I have been an F1 fan since the early 70's. This movie was great. I was impressed by Senna's ability in the rain. This is a Schumacher strong point also. They would have been fantastic to watch. I have never seen two "rainmasters" fight it out in a Formula one race.

[kach22i]

I saw this film at the Michigan theater a while back. It was my one friend's 3rd time seeing it there.

It was a good film, I just would not see it three times though.

[URY914]

Saw it on Netflixs a few weeks ago. VERY one sided. The movie portrays him as a saint or something. A lot was glossed over and left out.

[Flieger]

I don't know about that. It was a bit biased towards him but they still covered his ruthless, win-at-all-costs-even-if-it-means-crashing-into-someone-else nature. He was one of the ones who really started taking advantage of the safety and robustness of modern F1 cars, making it a contact sport. Schumacher's starting grid swerve was an extension of this. Now there is no backing off when two cars are fighting for a position into a turn. Senna was the master of that. Forcing his way through.

I'll be getting it on DVD.

[Danimal16]

I liked it.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Flieger

I don't know about that. It was a bit biased towards him but they still covered his ruthless, win-at-all-costs-even-if-it-means-crashing-into-someone-else nature. He was one of the ones who really started taking advantage of the safety and robustness of modern F1 cars, making it a contact sport. Schumacher's starting grid swerve was an extension of this. Now there is no backing off when two cars are fighting for a position into a turn. Senna was the master of that. Forcing his way through.

I'll be getting it on DVD.

Look at Villeneuve and Rene Arnoux's battle at the French Grand Prix, quite a bit of contact, they both could of easily gotten hurt with what they were doing, they both wanted that spot, and fought for it. Either one guy gives up, or you get a battle, some drivers give up, I'm often one of those on the track, I just do it for fun, Senna took it serious. I have a hard time blaming him for it, he's paid to be that way.

Now, not braking, and piling into the back of another driver, like say, Brian Vickers did to Matt Kenseth, thats not racing IMO. Or to use a F1 example, Bruno Senna in his first GP not braking for turn 1, and taking out a bunch of the other backmarkers, and himself.

I feel Senna had a shot in turn 1 at Japan, as soon as he got squeezed in by Prost who may have turned in early, there was no way he could of made it, and I'm not sure he could've backed out once committed. As soon as Prost turned in early, he couldn't change events either. Given that Prost would lose the championship if he wrecked, maybe he should've given Senna more room, slowed down a little more, and taken the outside. Unless he wasn't fast enough to pass Senna later.

[URY914]

Items not covered:

The film only shows scenes which show Senna in a good light or when he is on the receiving end of perceived French bias.

It omits his tirade at the 1991 Japanese GP for instance, when he also admitted deliberately taking Prost out the year before.

Nor did it mention his suspension from the Toleman team at Monza 1984 after his intended move to Lotus for 1985 was announced, in breach of his Toleman contract.

It did show the 1984 Monaco race in some detail, particularly as Clerk of the Course Ickx stopped the very wet race just before Senna caught Prost's McLaren. They didn't show Belloff catching both of them at a very fast rate.

Also in the month's MotorSport magazine, guest editor Jacky Stewart did not include Senna in his list of top five drivers of all time. Nor did he list Schumacher. His list included, Ascari, Clark, Prost, Fangio, Moss.

[techweenie]

It's now on Netflix streaming. I saw it. Good doc, but as Paul says, incomplete picture. As most documentaries are...

[Schumi]

relevant:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/649387-my-amazing-christmas.html

[campbellcj]

I just watched it on Netflix last night. I was speechless at the end. Such a tragedy.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by techweenie

It's now on Netflix streaming. I saw it. Good doc, but as Paul says, incomplete picture. As most documentaries are...

They had to cut it down to something that be done in one sitting in a movie theater. Honestly, I felt more like it was a movie than a documentary.

To cover everything would of taken hours, maybe days, lol.

[Mr Beau]

Originally Posted by techweenie

It's now on Netflix streaming. I saw it. Good doc, but as Paul says, incomplete picture. As most documentaries are...

There's talk that the Blu-ray will have extended footage that contains more background on the various plot lines... Also when the director was accused of showing Senna in too good of a light, he responded by stating that the movie is called "SENNA" for a reason.

[MT930]

Great Story, well done. He was an edge walker good, bad or otherwise. One of the Greats.

I think he could really extract the the limits out of the car when driving. More so than many of the drivers at the time.

His own ego could have been his biggest barrier.

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by Mr Beau

There's talk that the Blu-ray will have extended footage that contains more background on the various plot lines... Also when the director was accused of showing Senna in too good of a light, he responded by stating that the movie is called "SENNA" for a reason.

Yes, I think the title gives it away.

They did show some of his darker side, and most of the viewers probably already knew a lot about him anyway.

[campbellcj]

My feeling is someone with that degree of talent and work ethic has a right to be a bit of an arrogant a-hole once in a while.

It's the lazy and stupid arrogant a-holes that I can't stand.

[dennis in se pa]

Originally Posted by campbellcj

My feeling is someone with that degree of talent and work ethic has a right to be a bit of an arrogant a-hole once in a while.

It's the lazy and stupid arrogant a-holes that I can't stand.

I have often said the same.

Sort of like A.J. Foyt writing a book about him being America's greatest race car driver.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by campbellcj View Post
My feeling is someone with that degree of talent and work ethic has a right to be a bit of an arrogant a-hole once in a while.

It's the lazy and stupid arrogant a-holes that I can't stand.

Originally Posted by dennis in se pa

I have often said the same.

Sort of like A.J. Foyt writing a book about him being America's greatest race car driver.

Slightly confused. Do you categorize Foyt an example of the former or the latter? From my limited POV, Foyt, while a milestone race driver, was full of himself most of the time.

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