Wrongful Arrest For Classic Car Owner...

[jorian]

I hope masraum's post showing cops getting shot/beat up isn't a defense of the OP's video. As I said earlier, LEO's ability to use good judgement should have avoided this situation.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

And LEO's still have not grasped the fact that normal honest citizens have lost all respect for them.

+1
I have an early history of being treated like a criminal by jackass boneheaded LEOs. I haven't had much respect for them for 40 years. They could at the very least admit when they've made a mistake and apologize. I've never gotten an apology from a cop.

"Okay so there was a clerical error. But why the %#^{ did these cops have their guns out?! " What if that suspicious couple had had a Yorkie in the car? Cops have a right to protect themselves from vicious animals.

[herr_oberst]

Treat every transgression as the crime of the century. It mitigates the chances of injury or worse to the LEO. If a few innocent citizens happen to get injured or worse; or if the taxpayers have to dig into the public kitty to pay out some legal fees, well, what are you gonna do?

[tadd]

I guess my take is you do whatever you are told to get home alive, then sue the crap out of them later...your rights be damned.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by tadd

I guess my take is you do whatever you are told to get home alive, then sue the crap out of them later...your rights be damned.

Yep. You don't have any rights when a guy with a badge is holding a gun on you.

[afterburn 549]

It takes big brass balls to be a good cop.
If they dont have the bravado for it quit go home.
The job comes with risk.
No one drafted them or made them take the job.
simple.

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Yep. You don't have any rights when a guy with a badge is holding a gun on you.

Thats not true. You might not be allowed your rights, but you do have rights.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Yep. You don't have any rights when a guy with a badge is holding a gun on you.

NO! this is absolutely wrong.

You have rights that are being violated.

There are an awful lot of LEOs that ought to be digging ditches.

There was a time that I respected LEOs without question. Then I got out of grade school.

[afterburn 549]

Some people are born" lock step" types.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Daves911L

The biggest take away from this is that these folks did exactly what the cops said, and they didn't get shot and killed......

Mmmm, maybe yes and no.

When he is asked to lift his shirt he does what any of us would do, reaches for his waist band.

The officer corrects his instructions and the guy does comply with the method the officer prefers.

Now, the cop asks him to lift his shirt because he is concerned the guy has a gun tucked in his waistband. The officer is already sensitive and wary about hands in the waistband area.

Would not be the first time an officer jumped the gun, pardon the pun, and unloaded on an unarmed citizen who moved in the wrong way while trying to comply with an officers command.





And some cops know when to act for the cameras.

[pcardude]

Pigs gonna be pigs.

[pcardude]

I think it's a sexual thing for most cops. These tools get off on having power over people. Killing someone probably gets them off in a big way.

[Daves911L]

Originally Posted by masraum

Did you read the post above? I think it's pretty clear that what the poster is saying, is that the old guy complied with the cops requests, and that was the correct behavior. It was a comment about the folks that don't comply and argue with the cops and end up with the situation going very wrong. Yes, the cops appear to have made several huge mistakes in this situation, but at least the old couple did what they needed to do and it didn't go worse.

Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to say. No doubt about it, these cops didn't use any common sense. I'm not giving them a pass by any means. They deserve the criticism, and maybe even a hefty legal judgement against them. It was a simple clerical error that precipitated the incident. OK, mistakes happen. From then on they got VERY heavy handed. But the old guy demonstrated very correctly what everyone should do in the situation. He stayed pretty damned calm and did everything correctly.

We've been treated for months on end to this story of the kid in Missouri who got shot, and of the big guy selling cigarettes in NY. Whether they were guilty, or not. Black, or white. Rich, or poor. If both of those guys had acted like this old gentleman from Washington did, they'd be alive and it wouldn't have made national news (or even local news!).

I don't agree that most people have lost respect for law enforcement. They have a tough job. Not one I would want. They have my support, but at the same time, I don't put them on a pedestal. Its a job, like anything else. There are bad cops, to be sure, but they represent small percentage. About 1000 cops on our local police force. Out of 1000 guys in any job, odds are you are going to get a few turkeys (1, 10, 100?). The other 900+ are good folks. And sometimes the good ones make mistakes. That doesn't change the fact that in virtually all cases, good, bad, or indifferent, it is going to be the individual's attitude and interaction with the police that ultimately determines the outcome.

[pcardude]

Who's dippy? No man, I just want to know what goes on in these morons heads.

What's it about for them.

Is it a sexual thing?

How do we stop this stupid **** from continueing?

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by pcardude

Who's dippy? No man, I just want to know what goes on in these morons heads.

What's it about for them.

Is it a sexual thing?

How do we stop this stupid **** from continueing?

Well, I know one surefire way to stop certain types of sexual shenanigans...

[pcardude]

Better call the guru

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

There was nothing correct about that stop.
Unless you like Nazi Germany crap.
Nothing.
A 1/2 a brain would recognize the problem.

So you are saying that you are qualified, or are we just passing out insults ?

[RicN]

And we wonder why these "well-trained" outstanding cops have been shooting and killing unarmed people for the past few years.


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[look 171]

I was coming back from a weekend river raft trip about 20 years going over the Grapevine back to LA. I was pulled over by several CHPs because I was driving my little MR2 hauling (that's doing 70) up this nasty mt road. They pulled me at the crest and pinned me up against a fence along the side of the fwy. I ask "What did I do, what's happening?" No one answered and they went right into my car looking for something. After three guys with their hands resting on the guns right at their hips, one finally said, " No its not him. You are free to go" I ask "not him what" One guy said, you fit the description of a get away car at a robbery. I was, like always, calm and polite, but they were real *******s. One cop just shoved me against the fence before I has a chance to balance myself out of my car. I say that couple should sue them for everything they got.

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

So you are saying that you are qualified, or are we just passing out insults ?

With your statement you qualified yourself.(lock Step)
Why ask me anything about you?
I can not help you, except point out your flawed thinking.
Anyone that wants to lay dwn for Cops that want to lord their power over them, will soon find themselves with out the freedom that was guaranteed and took for it granted.
Most people that are not bothered by this have not thought it through.