How important is church? Need your advice

[rusnak]

Yeah, above it all.

You ask a PARF question but you are not a mean nasty "PARF person". Ohh-Kayyy. PARF is by definition, about (1) Politics, and (2) Religion. Your question, as I already pointed out, is not about religion but about the importance of faith. That is de facto, a PARF question, sorry but that is just a fact.

So really, don't ask the question. As Gogar pointed out, quite correctly, people on the forums are quite free to say what they want within the rules.

So go ahead and get mad at me, but I just call it like I see it.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by rusnak

Yeah, above it all.

You ask a PARF question but you are not a mean nasty "PARF person". Ohh-Kayyy. PARF is by definition, about (1) Politics, and (2) Religion. Your question, as I already pointed out, is not about religion but about the importance of faith. That is de facto, a PARF question, sorry but that is just a fact.

So really, don't ask the question. As Gogar pointed out, quite correctly, people on the forums are quite free to say what they want within the rules.

So go ahead and get mad at me, but I just call it like I see it.

Is that what pissed you off that the question was asked in OT instead of parf? Who ever said anyone was mean and nasty?

Faith? I am still trying to learn what it is or what it means.

Mad at you? Far from it. Relax man

[rusnak]

You should have written it (again) like this, with the double ??

Mad at you?? Relax man! <~~ (like that)

You started for whatever reason, a discussion that explores the importance of faith. Obviously, people have differing opinions. And quite literally, that is a PARF discussion that you intentionally placed into the wrong forum.

What I am saying is not that you erred in where the discussion started, I'm saying that you erred by pretending not to be a PARF participant. You are in fact, now a PARF participant and there is no point in pretending (yes pretending) to be above that label. Your question is not about business, or personal priorities per se. You are openly asking why religion would be that important. You are getting a lot of opinions about that. This is a discussion about religion.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by look 171

............. I wanted to take my kids out for a bike ride and feed the ducks around the lake due to the beautiful weather this time of the year so I tried to schedule this meeting in the morning. I got," We can't. Church, and we have to do some more church stuff after that, so best time would be after 2pm.".............

I have not read this entire thread, so I don't know if someone has already suggested this, but the first thing what jumped out at me is...

Seems like a simple "time/plan swap" would be the easiest and most obvious solution.

Why didn't you just plan to take your kids for the bike ride somewhere between sunrise and 1 PM, then meet with the couple after 2?

[look 171]

ok. Thank you, now I know

[look 171]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

I have not read this entire thread, so I don't know if someone has already suggested this, but the first thing what jumped out at me is...

Seems like a simple "time/plan swap" would be the easiest and most obvious solution.

Why didn't you just plan to take your kids for the bike ride somewhere between sunrise and 1 PM, then meet with the couple after 2?

Its not about the actual timing of just one day. I am way more flexible about that. Its all there in those threads somewhere why I have chosen to not take the job.

[speeder]

PARF is a nasty forum, populated by angry Republicans for the most part who somehow all wound up on this car board. It's a strange place, pretty dark. I wouldn't blame anyone for avoiding it.

[jyl]

PARF here doesn't really mean politics and religion, it means politics and religion discussed by rude crazies.

Yeah, above it all.



You ask a PARF question but you are not a mean nasty "PARF person". Ohh-Kayyy. PARF is by definition, about (1) Politics, and (2) Religion. Your question, as I already pointed out, is not about religion but about the importance of faith. That is de facto, a PARF question, sorry but that is just a fact.



So really, don't ask the question. As Gogar pointed out, quite correctly, people on the forums are quite free to say what they want within the rules.



So go ahead and get mad at me, but I just call it like I see it.

[fred cook]

Consider the situation from the standpoint of the client having a previous engagement for Sunday morning. Even if you don't consider the situation from a religious perspective, wouldn't you cut someone else some slack for having made other plans earlier?

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by rusnak

You should have written it (again) like this, with the double ??

Mad at you?? Relax man! <~~ (like that)

You started for whatever reason, a discussion that explores the importance of faith. Obviously, people have differing opinions. And quite literally, that is a PARF discussion that you intentionally placed into the wrong forum.

What I am saying is not that you erred in where the discussion started, I'm saying that you erred by pretending not to be a PARF participant. You are in fact, now a PARF participant and there is no point in pretending (yes pretending) to be above that label. Your question is not about business, or personal priorities per se. You are openly asking why religion would be that important. You are getting a lot of opinions about that. This is a discussion about religion.

I think when someone is asking a specific question about a circumstance, and religion happens to be a part of that, we might consider confining ourselves to the subject at hand, and leave the soapboxes out of it.

Many people would like a G rated discussion of events and topics, but would be willing to entertain a PG level of sophistication, without the vitriol.

Otherwise, the thread will jump the shark early. This one is done.

[fintstone]

PARF is a nasty forum, populated by angry Republicans for the most part who somehow all wound up on this car board. It's a strange place, pretty dark. I wouldn't blame anyone for avoiding it.

But that doesn't stop whining liberals and the Anti-Christian, anti-Semite crowd from doing a drive-by now and then to dump a load and run back to the safety of OT to take cheap shots at the folks who post there, now does it? Funny how the same folks are almost always the ones who start the religious attacks (or your case, political ones) here in OT...then whine because others have different opinions (and thus, should be in PARF). They are strong believers in free speech... But only when you agree with them.

Yes, this thread is full of backhanded attacks on devout Christians...then expanded to attacks on Republicans...and conservatives who post in PARF.

Pretty much the typical here.

[Jim Richards]

Off Topic - Politics and Religion
All topics having to do with Politics and Religion must be placed here. Failure to follow this rule will result in "time-outs" from the forums. Please don't visit here if you are thin-skinned.

Too sensitive?

Daniel is right, this thread has officially jumped the shark.

[fintstone]

PARF here doesn't really mean politics and religion, it means politics and religion discussed by rude crazies-->

Typical cheap shot. Can't handle free debate on a topic so you insult those who can/do from a "nice" place. Pretty cheesy. You don't avoid PARF because of the "crazies", but, like many others, because of your weak argument. It just makes you feel better to believe they are somehow "crazy" to compensate. Cheap shots like this are just that...cheap.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by look 171

Now I know how serious church is. I knew these folks weren't dissing me, they must do what they need to do. I am fine with that. By not taking the job will save us both a lot of headaches under intense time limitations.

Some folks treat PARF with the same seriousness Jeff . A guy like you working on Sundays already has intense time limitations....take your boys fishing instead....
"For Christ's sake..." .

I'm going to hell for that last comment (from my parents' perspective), so I see this topic from a different perspective than most I suspect...

[fintstone]

Doug,



Blasphemy is a term created by Christians, for Christians. If you come to PPOT and want it to somehow . . magically . . be 'free of blasphemy', then you've got a fundamental misunderstanding about the rights of the people who



1. created the forum



and



2. the people who post in the forum.





If you want to be "free from blasphemy", then do not visit the forum. You can find many on the internet that will support your value system.



You knew that already.

No. The problem is what would be considered blasphemy by some in a forum where religion is supposedly not discussed...where the atheist, anti-Christian, anti-Semite remarks are ok to make, but the pro-religion remarks are not. You can't have it both ways. Either discuss religion or don't. Once the "regulars" breach the topics of politics and/or religion...they really should have no expectation that the opposite viewpoint should be repressed.

[KFC911]

Fint, PARF's reputation stands on it's on merit . PPOT'ers can go visit and judge for themselves imo. You're a standup guy and have never wallowed in the cesspool, and it's actually a pretty nice place to visit these days (compared to before) imo. The mods have done a good job of removing much of the stench

[ckelly78z]

I don't avoid PARF because of the "rude crazies", I avoid PARF because I don't see the need to change other peoples minds about what is passionate to them. They aren't going to change my mind, so what's the point ?

I am truly surprised this thread remained in PPOT as long as it has with some of the religous attacks, and generalizations occuring here.

[VaSteve]

Dammit. The PARF forum has now become a religion of its own....with its own believers and anti-PARFites. Cant make this up.

[fintstone]

Like any stereotype, when you take general shots at PARF posters, it includes all of them/us. There are plenty of crazy folks and crazy topics here in OT as well, it is just a different crazy (maybe one that many of you like). For example, the PETA crowd would think the coyote killing thread crazy...as well as hunting and even some of the cooking ones. A feminist might think the leg/chest/etc threads jump the shark. The manscaping and murse threads seem odd to me...much as the billet Mustang ones do to some Porschephiles. The part I don't understand is the constant insults in OT regarding folks who chose to also post in PARF. It is not like we do not also post here and in the technical areas and don't see it...so I must assume it to be somewhat of a personal attack.

I realize many of those who like to trash folks in PARF are also those who used to post there and did not enjoy it...either because they were a bit too sensitive or because their argument/knowledge was weak...that is fine. We miss you, but it is not for everyone. If you don't want to post in PARF, in the Technical areas, in the Cayenne or market areas...just don't...but don't go to another forum and throw rocks at folks who do. If you want to smack down the folks posting in PARF, put on your big girl panties and come on over and do it like a big girl.

[speeder]

I'm always a little surprised when you appoint yourself the defender of all PARF posters and go into your massive indignation mode here. Is everyone over there an ass hole? No. Are many/most? Without a doubt.

Lots of members avoid that sub-forum completely because of the general tone of the place, not because they are incapable of discussing politics or religion. It has nothing to do with "big girl pants" to choose to avoid a nasty forum where vulgarity and stupidity, mixed with frequent racism and witless sarcasm rule the day and people are getting banned for intensely personal attacks and online threats on a regular basis. To make it even more attractive, some of the most frequent posters seem to be drunk most of the time.

Other than that, it's great!

Seeing as how none of the above really applies to you, why the thin skin and militant defense?