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[winders]

Originally Posted by Geneman

For your setup to work seems it needs stout support of the frame rails. tied into the cage i guess from above. can you post some pics higher in the engine compartment of the cage-rail tie in? Also a pic of the how the rear deck closes to those points. ( as i remember , you can run a high wing ( which i cannot) but not sure its mounted on the deck or to the frame. thank you both scott and van for the responses.
scott does your muffler hang this low?

My muffler hangs lower.

Here is a photo of the frame rail setup, etc.:

[Geneman]

Thanks Scott , that is superb. I had forgotten that you did away with the stock top shock mounts also and went with the fabed bar. very clean. In my G50 car (before it burned) i had rear rail supports welded to top of rails on pads like yours, that ran thru the firewall to connect with the roll cage. likely do this again. Tell me, did you beef up the sides of the rails with pads where the new motor mount was welded on? it looks like it. also, your mount rear cross bar is simply solidly bolted to the tab; so no rubber cushioning at all like a stock mount? no concern for vibration?

[winders]

Yes, the rails are beefed up wherever the cage attaches and where the mounting tabs are for the engine crossmember.

The engine mounts are solid. All of the air-cooled Factory race cars used solid engine and transmission mounts. Some people think that solid mounts can cause harmonics issues with the engine. My car had solid transmission mounts too but I am trying out Rebel Racing semi-solid transmission mounts now. I can't say that I am feeling a difference but maybe the harmonics are better damped now.

[Geneman]

Thanks scott. got it. yes one can use the solid mounts, as yours in rear , but still achieve a bit of damping by using the semi-solids up front. perfect. With these images my fab guy can easily replicate it.

So there is no perceptible ( or predicted) loss of frame rigidity, even under hard track twisting conditions , by deletion of the rear chassis member? The stock engine hangar is certainly not structural in this contexzt.

[winders]

My race car has always been this way so I have no way to determine if there is any loss of frame rigidity. But, the engine crossmember is indeed providing structural rigidity. I have a hard time believing that with the cage extensions and custom square tube frame setup for the suspension there are any issues.

[Geneman]

one more q scott: what rear bumper are you running?

[winders]

Getty 993......

[big43rdkid]

Originally Posted by DOCPAT

We are a group of european modellers 1/43 scale , and we have a problem with tht color of Hal Shaw 1978/79 935
WHAT ARE THE GOOD COLORS OF THE STRIPES ?

black/red/yellow or dark green/orange /yellow .....




Hi,
Judging by the colour of the race. Umber against the colour on the dorm panel I would say it’s black not green.
By the way love the decal work on your forum. Are the GTP Models sets for sale?

thanks for help !

[mgaqw]

Hi big43rdkid,

if you look at this photo:



I can see dark green, orange and yellow as on the helmet of the driver :-)

[IS300]

luv them

[group911@aol.co]

I does look dark green but given the team name, I have to think it's the German flag colors. Black, red and yellow.

Originally Posted by mgaqw

Hi big43rdkid,

if you look at this photo:



I can see dark green, orange and yellow as on the helmet of the driver :-)

[VZ935]

The #13 is US driver Hal Shaw's car. It is a converted 1976 934.

You can just copy my chassis if you want.

[winders]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

I does look dark green but given the team name, I have to think it's the German flag colors. Black, red and yellow.

Except that the photo has obvious black and red elements in it that do not match the colors around the number plate. So you can say there is some kind of color shift in the photo. Those colors are clearly green, orange, and yellow.

[Hi_Fi_Guy]

Do we know if it is paint vs a decal. If painting transparent black over yellow the black can take on hints of olive green which may not be immediately noticeable in person but very obvious in photos or in print.

[big43rdkid]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

I does look dark green but given the team name, I have to think it's the German flag colors. Black, red and yellow.

Hi, that was my thinking also. Given the German Auto signage the colours would match the German flag.

[winders]

Look at the Goodyear sticker. It is black. But, the “German Auto” is clearly green. Both are stickers.

Look at the “Winston” sticker. It is red. But, the middle color outlining the number is orange. Also, look at the red in the jacket the young lady is wearing.

I am a photographer…..and yes, white balance can really mess up the look of colors in a photo. But, there are enough colors in the photo to see that white balance is not making black look green or red look orange.

[group911@aol.co]

Do a search for that team and car. Everything else looks black.

[mgaqw]

Originally Posted by winders

Look at the Goodyear sticker. It is black. But, the “German Auto” is clearly green. Both are stickers.

Look at the “Winston” sticker. It is red. But, the middle color outlining the number is orange. Also, look at the red in the jacket the young lady is wearing.

I am a photographer…..and yes, white balance can really mess up the look of colors in a photo. But, there are enough colors in the photo to see that white balance is not making black look green or red look orange.

Other photos of the car, here at Watkins Glen 1978



and here at Daytona 24 hours 1979:



For me, the colors of the stripes are a reminder of those on the driver's helmet (Hal Shaw ?)

[Geneman]

Van..... that is quite an amazing cage in your car...... beautiful design and fabrication..

[DOCPAT]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

I does look dark green but given the team name, I have to think it's the German flag colors. Black, red and yellow.

ITS THE REASON OF THE MISTAKE !
the team is not German Auto, but Hal Shaw racing / Ore House Vaiil
the sponsorship German Auto come only for the seventh race , in Watkins Glen 78 !




first race, Daytona 24 hours 78 .... look at the helmet !