Hargett Precision Shifter!!!!

[tcesar888]

Here are some photos of the 915 shifter ('78 911SC Targa -27K orig. miles). I took them this evening (little dark). I hope this helps.

Note: The shifter needs a wipe down; I had used some lite lithium grease on it. It came from Mark in perfect order.

Mahalo! Tom

[Hoffmanmotors]

I want one......

[Gumba11]

[JP911]

I'm sure the shifter works great, but I have to say that it's kind of an eyesore on a street car. The restriction of the e-brake and heater controls would also be annoying. Looks slick in a stripped down race car though.

[jester911]

I agree. It really is a great solution for a race car. I think for the street a better solution for the ebrake and heater controls is needed. I like the shifter being back closer to the driver.

[Az911]

Is the Hargett better then the Fabcar shifter?

[Kroggers]

What is the Fabcar shifter?

[hobieboy]

Tom, where did u relocate the heater control to? And, from the picture, the ebrake fits under the shift rod (the connects between the shift "knob" to the back)?

thanks for the nice pics !

[mack6820]

I agree. Id love to have one but I think it might be more of a nuissance for my daily driver. I use my e-brake alot.

[randywebb]

"an eyesore on a street car"

- I agree - but someone could make a console that encloses it and provides some storage space as well.

The e-brake and heater controls could be relocated - and probably w/o too much trouble.

They could make a 'street kit' add-on that addresses all 3 problems. Of course, the production run would be even smaller than for the shifter itself.

[herr_oberst]

Gotta love a well engineered machine! I bet it looks cool when it is shifting, but too many disadvantages for my taste.

Glad someone else installed one so I could see it!

[tcesar888]

All good positive and negative points:

1.) For myself (living on the islands), upon installation, I removed the heater controls and cables. Yes, I agree, and upon initial install "with" the heater controls, access to the controls would be a PITA if not nearly impossible.

2.) Access to the eBrake "is" a little tight, but it is accessible. If you use your eBrake all the time, then prepare for a change...

3.) As for the reverse lockout; Mark prepared me for this as this might be a nuisance. I found it not to be a bother.

4.) Noise! Yes, due to its construction and fitment it does resonate more trans noise (winding etc...); not at irritating levels though. Plus, I don't have my floor covered yet. I actually like it... Driving this car is like riding my RS125R GP race bike; its rough, it noisy, it sounds great, it smells great... Not like my comfy E320...

5.) The shifting is tight, precise, and short. The "feel" and "feedback" is excellent. Also, the position of the shift lever is perfect!

6.) Yes it takes away from the OEM look. I personally wanted something cool, functional, and race like. It’s a great conversation piece. I guess you could fab a drop-over hard cover or a leather boot.

Hobieboy: The shift shaft is now outside (and above) the tunnel; running on top between the seatbelt latches. The eBrake installs as normal; the shifter installes using the same bolts holding the eBrake. Hope that answers your question.

I think to achieve the “function” of the shifting (tight, precise, positive feedback), and the positioning of the lever (close to the driver/wheel) resulted in its ultimate design. I think Mark did a superb job.

Have a super day! Great to read all the discussion and exchanges! Great site!

Tom

[village idiot]

Too scary, 2 Toms from Hawaii that race(d) RS125's

[tcesar888]

Small world huh... This is my TZ250 (later I had a new '05 RS125R), but then the darn Hawaii track closed... Punks!

Wanted to keep my blood flowing, so I picked up the 911... Loving it!

[scottb]

Originally posted by JP911
I'm sure the shifter works great, but I have to say that it's kind of an eyesore on a street car. The restriction of the e-brake and heater controls would also be annoying. Looks slick in a stripped down race car though.

My sentiments exactly. As I was viewing the pictures in the 27k mile Targa, I couldn't help but think, "why?" There are so many other options out there that allow you to retain the original look (e.g., Rennshift, Seine shifter, etc.), the Hargett unit is definitely not for someone who wants to retain a semblance of originality.

Also, I agree with JP911 about the e-brake. The positioning of the shifter over the e-brake seems to make using the e-brake VERY difficult.

My $.02.

[tcesar888]

I'm with you bro on all points; good, bad or otherwise... It's a "what-ever floats your boat" thing. All in the fun and enjoyment of your ride...

PS: Hey, can anyone give me some recommendations on re-doing my trunk area. I (personally) like the painted naked trunk look (clean access and sight of everything... ) with a race fuel tank? Would you happen to have a line on a reasonably price fuel cell with the filler internal to the trunk (no holes in the hood)? I had some photos of some guy's 911 done-up in red; can't find the photos anywhere... Thanks!

Enjoy!

Tom

[village idiot]

Originally posted by tcesar888
[B]Small world huh... This is my TZ250 (later I had a new '05 RS125R), but then the darn Hawaii track closed... Punks!

Wanted to keep my blood flowing, so I picked up the 911... Loving it!

I know what you mean, right before the track closed I managed to sell my 11 second street Mustang(I miss that car ) Now I have an E30 BMW for a daily and the P-car for a project

[mack6820]

Also, with the 911's not having cupholders, I always place my drink between the seats. Cant do this with that shifter.
Does anyone suggest a better shifter for the 915? Rennshift, Seine shifter?

[North Coast Cab]

I just received my Hargett and installed in my race car. Couple of quick impressions.
1) The machine work and design are first class
2) The repositioning of the shift knob raises it about 4" and moves back about 4". This is a huge help since I always felt I was stretching to reach 3rd and 5th gears.
3) I had to cut the shift rod 2" to install in my car. Not sure why, no big deal, but unexpected. No directions in the box.
4) It's smaller than it looks. I imagined it was much bigger, but it is only 3-4" wide
5) Getting it adjusted perfect took some time. It will probably need some fine tuning once I get some mile son it

Overall, it's one of the nicest pieces of equipment I've ever purchased for the 911. I had even purchased the Farmers Automotive one a while back, but returned it before it even went in. The Hargett makes that one look like it was made in Junior High shop class. I have used a Seine and Wevo and think the repositioning of the Hargett makes it much more effective for a race car. The Seine worked well, but was a pain to install. It's a very good choice for a stock application. The Wevo was a little nicer, but again detracted from the stock look.

John

[hobieboy]

John,
I'm very interested in hearing comparison between the Hargett and Wevo in terms of feel, precision, throw, etc.

I understand the positioning is totally different, but other than that, how are other parameters compare?

thanks!