Mille Miglia Cup 1 Replica wheel fitment

[EugeneTheBeast]

I didn't know where to post this on the PP forums so I'll start here. I have a set of Mille Miglia Cup 1 replica wheels 17x7.5 ET 23 front 17x9 ET15 rear. I'm trying to sell these but not sure what they will fit. I know they will work for early 944's but will they work with 911's? If so what years? What other models will they fit? Thanks.

[Oh Haha]

Those will fit on 78 to 89(non 964 model) years of 911s. The 964 model uses positive offset wheels.

The 69 to 74 911s do not have much rear flare so it's tough to fit much more than a 7 inch wide wheel in the rear.

[JTL]

I ran a set of these on my car for a while. My targa's ride height is lowered and front fender lips are rolled. Even after some adjusting the rears scraped occasionally on the outside and the fronts scraped both inside and outside when turning sharply.

I really liked the look of the wheels on my car but they were very heavy which is bad as it adds unsprung weight to the vehicle. This is why I ended up selling them.

I'm currently running my track rims/tyres 16x8, 16x9 Remotec's with Toyo proxes on the street. They seem to work out just fine. My car originally came with 6&7 Fuch's; was thinking about getting a set of Euromeister 17" Fuchs replicas.

[JTL]

Simon,
I found this pic:

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by EugeneTheBeast

I didn't know where to post this on the PP forums so I'll start here. I have a set of Mille Miglia Cup 1 replica wheels 17x7.5 ET 23 front 17x9 ET15 rear. I'm trying to sell these but not sure what they will fit. I know they will work for early 944's but will they work with 911's? If so what years? What other models will they fit? Thanks.

Re your statement for "early 944's", you're exactly correct; IIRC, 1986 was the last year for non-ABS 944s - up until then, 944 & 911 took the same offset(s). (And 86 951 8J Fuchs have more clearance for big brakes with front fitment on a 911 than the 911 Fuchs).

911's didn't get ABS until the 964, so any 1989 or earlier 911 can use wheels with the *replica* Cup1 offsets (the "real" Cup1s - eg from Porsche rather than Mille Migia - all have offsets suitable tor ABS) - flares permitting, as HaHa says.

1980 G body was when SC flares were first fitted, 9Js won't fit under stock narrowbody (F body, 1974-1977) or earlier - although models with Carrera, SC/RS, RS/RSR or 930 flares obviously won't have a problem.

I run a set of Cup1 reps with Blizzaks as my winter wheels (retro-fitted SC flares). Heavy but strong. They also clear big brakes on a 911 with tons of room (a lot more than Ruf Classics, which only barely clear front 996 calipers).

HTH.

(Edit: Bah, I should have looked at the date on the OP - bet these wheels are long sold by now )

[2mAn]

Well.. I know someone who will have a set of these for sale soon and Im trying to decide if I should keep em around or not

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by 2mAn

trying to decide if I should keep em around or not

I know some guys run 17" track wheels for a wider choice of modern, sticky, hi-perf tires at reasonable prices. IMO, these wheels hit 2 out of 3 from "light", "strong", "cheap" (at least, they used to be - and that's relative). And they don't suck to look at.

They'll accept 225/45/17 & 255/40/17 under SC flares (need to roll the front fenders) - more rubber than factory 930's came with. And far better tires available now.

The extra wheel weight/tire height may cause performance degradation in an N/A application, but add 200HP or so and you'll never notice...

[rattlsnak]

These replica wheels are NOT light! I've had a few sets of them..Great bargain for a good looking wheel..

[dw1]

I have those same wheels (painted gold) on my black/black '87. They fit fine, but be careful with the tire sizes if you don't have rolled front fender lips.

When I bought the rims they had a set of well-used 225/45ZR17 front and 255/40ZR17 rear tires mounted.

At my ride height (basically Euro ride height) the 225's were an issue. I have since replaced both the front and rear tires, going to 215/45 in front and 255/40 rear and that is far less of an issue, but I still had to adjust the front ride height a bit so that at full fuel load the fender lip didn't contact the tire sidewall.

I also agree - these are nice looking wheels, and it was a good way to put 17s on the car, but they are quite a bit heavier that the stock Fuchs rims (which I kept so I could switch back to the stock look if I ever wanted to).

[dw1]

[2mAn]

That looks really nice dw1.

The ones I got were plastidipped black and was a nightmare to clean up, but once they are complete should look fantastic. I wish they were lighter too, not sure how much of a difference the Porsche Cup 1s are VS the MM Cup 1s... ignoring the Magnesium ones

[dw1]

Thanks. The silver on the wheels was not in great shape due to some curb rash fixes and at least one wheel tipping over "face first" onto a asphalt driveway (yes, the spokes stick out further than the rim). Rather than having them refinished in the original silver, I decided to do the rattle can gold & clear myself.

The lighting wasn't great for this photo so the antique gold color on the wheels doesn't show up as much as I would like.

I have experience both applying and removing Plasti-dip coatings on wheels and there are various methods for removing this coating. You may find this web site helpful: https://worldtirereview.com/how-to-remove-plasti-dip-from-rims/
I've found Goo-Gone works fairly well.

A very good reference for wheel weight is
https://members.rennlist.com/911pcars/WheelWts.html

That reference shows that the 993 Cup wheels are about the same weight as the 911 Carrera 3.2 Fuchs rims and that the MM wheels are about 10 lbs (each) heavier than the OEM Fuchs wheels. Notably, that doesn't include the increase due to the larger tire size. Fyi, I have not verified this but intend to.

[2mAn]

It wasnt so much the challenge of removing the plastidip, its just that they sprayed the lug pockets, the barrels, the inners... it was everywhere!

[2mAn]

It took a lot of work by myself and a good friend... but here we are. Im about to list them on pcarmarket but would rather just offer them up here first.

[2mAn]

Well, it took a lot of work by myself and my buddy but here they are, just about past the finish line.

They will go up on pcarmarket soon, but wanted to share them here in case someone is interested

[2mAn]

Not sure what happened, but heres the rest!






6 wheels total. (2) 17x7.5 and (4) 17x9

Located in Los Angeles.

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by 2mAn

I wish they were lighter too, not sure how much of a difference the Porsche Cup 1s are VS the MM Cup 1s... ignoring the Magnesium ones

968 and 964 factory Cup 1s (apparently made by Speedline in Italy) in 7.5J & 9K are 10.6 Kg front/11.8 Kg versus 11.3Kg/12.7Kg for the Mille Miglia replicas.

https://carrerars.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/wheels-weights-and-more-on-offsets/

Despite being heavier, they're said to be not as strong as the factory wheel, and can twist in both planes.

https://rennlist.com/forums/968-forum/946142-cup-1-original-vs-italian-question-2.html

Added to which, 968 & 964 are ABS cars. So factory Cups won't fit pre-1987 944/951/968 or pre-964 cars without spacers (and possibly longer studs) to correct the offset.

Whereas the MM replicas were also available with offsets to suit G-body cars, as well as ABS car fitment.