who drifts in there 944. Post pics or vids

[Enthuzed1]

drifting and autox, love em both, though they may seem pretty opposite of each other, each definitely requires a level of skill to make it work.....now what if they mixed them both? eh? one lap is auto cross, the next is drift....
no? yah, don't think it would work......i know for sure though that drifting is gonna grow pretty fast, soon we'll have uphill/downhill/loopidyloop courses specific for the sport.......you know z-man, the S2 is probably the best 944 candidate to use as a drift machine....... any opinions?

[fast924S]

Dude its like Playing basketball or golf, Both require skill and both are a sport and both are different. Eather you like it or hate it, I for one think it is cool to Rage's 951 tearing it up all pissed off, but I would never do it to my 924S because it will fall apart. If its got Euro/import cars then I like it

[Z-man]

Originally posted by Enthuzed1
.......you know z-man, the S2 is probably the best 944 candidate to use as a drift machine....... any opinions?

I think at this point, I have more fun going less sideways.

I'll stick with DE's and autox. Once I've mastered both, I'll consider drifting...

-Z-man.

PS: I have a long way to go before I master DE & autox...

[auh]

I don't think I would ever want to drift simply based on the fact of how bad burning tires smell. Can you imagine sitting in a car for an entire race while putting up with that? However I will watch it cause I, like Zman, have respect for most motorsports (excluding Nascar)

[CJFusco]

Yeah I think the way I see drifting is in the same light as auh and Z-man...

It's cool as hell... to watch someone else do. Not my 944, though!

[944drift]

drifting is faster then normel driving if done right. Thats how the drift king keichi something became known as the drift king. He drifted in normal races in japan and would win by sliding through the turns. He didnt drift the whole course or get insanely sideways but he did drift. A show drift is different from a racedrift. You can beat guys in autox with drifting.

[J1NX3D]

i d/l'ed an old vid about 5 yrs ago of a ford capri (was a metallic gold colour) auto-x'ing. it drifted every corner and looked so smooth and man everyone cheered! I wish i knew where it was, it was a great vid...

[ae1969]

Originally posted by 944drift
drifting is faster then normel driving if done right. Thats how the drift king keichi something became known as the drift king. He drifted in normal races in japan and would win by sliding through the turns. He didnt drift the whole course or get insanely sideways but he did drift. A show drift is different from a racedrift. You can beat guys in autox with drifting.

POOOOOOF

...and I thought you might of known what you were talking about.

.........the fastest times between two points is acquired through maintaining grip not drifting.

Mild oversteer that is used by racers is not considered drifting.

You loose grip you loose time. "Basic racing principle"

If you think you are faster around an auto-x while drifting..... you must be driving one of these.

[Wolf1]

Originally posted by ae1969
POOOOOOF

...and I thought you might of known what you were talking about.

Hehehe.........

[944drift]

depending on the car drifting is faster. If you have an f1 then you wont have the advantage drifting but in a car with less grip you can go through the turn with more speed a bit sideways depending on the turn. If you have a 240sx that has trouble handeling around a turn at speeds higher then 40 mph then entering the turn at i higher speed like say 60mph, and sliding through it so that your leaving the corner with more speed can be faster. Keichi did it and won races thats proof right there. Once again im not talking about drifting like you see it in the d1. There is a difference between a race drift and a show drift.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by 944drift
depending on the car drifting is faster. If you have an f1 then you wont have the advantage drifting but in a car with less grip you can go through the turn with more speed a bit sideways depending on the turn. If you have a 240sx that has trouble handeling around a turn at speeds higher then 40 mph then entering the turn at i higher speed like say 60mph, and sliding through it so that your leaving the corner with more speed can be faster. Keichi did it and won races thats proof right there. Once again im not talking about drifting like you see it in the d1. There is a difference between a race drift and a show drift.

Sorry dude, but you're wrong. Step away from the Initial-D videos, and put down the controller for the GT-4 PS2 game. Drifting a 240SX at an indicated 60mph is probably slower around a corner than driving it with milder slip angles at 40mph. Don't forget, when you're drifting, your wheels are spinning faster than the car is actually travelling, AND much of your momentum is not FORWARD but sideways. That said, even if you can turn a faster lap by wild drifting, by the 2nd or 3rd lap, you'll need to come into the pits for a change of tires! When you consider that most races are longer than 2-3 laps, then you can understand how drifting doesn't cut it in racing.

Oh, one more thing - there is no such thing as 'race drift,' IMHO. HOWEVER, there is such a thing as slip angles. Most of the performance driving books agree that for most cars and tire compounds, somewhere around a 10 degree slip angle is optimal for gonig around a corner. This is true of even F1 type cars.

Slip angle defined: the difference between the direction which the wheels are pointed and the direction the car is travelling. There is a specific slip angle for each wheel as well as the entire car, BTW.

-Z-man.

[rage2]

I'll quote myself:

Originally posted by rage2
It's the wannabe forum kids that watched Fast and the Furious too many times that think drifting is faster .

hehe. The Drift King started drifting not from winning races, but from losing races. He was a back marker, got bored and started drifting around the corners for fun, since he wasn't going to win anyways. Gotta get your facts straight dude .

I've done a LOT of autox and timed laps, and anything over 10 degrees of slip angle and you're going slower, just like what z-man says. I have telemetry to prove it.

Z-man, F1 cars (or any cars with heavy reliance of rear wings) can't pass 5 degrees or so of slip angle, as it affects rear downforce, and ultimately rear grip dramatically. That's why it's VERY rare to see a F1 car get twitchy around a high speed corner while maintaining most of it's speed. Usually it spins off hard, or a LOT of speed is lost if there's recovery. A very fast lap in a F1 car is very boring, zero drama.

[Z-man]

rage - ok maybe F1's aren't at 10 degrees of slip, but they are sliding nonetheless!

-Z.

[MoonBoy]

All drifters will admit that. It's the wannabe forum kids that watched Fast and the Furious too many times that think drifting is faster . [/B]

Well, that movie, or Initial D which is a far, far better take on drifting. Still, drifitng is not the fastest way.

Edit: Ah, I see you're familiar... nevermind.

[bluebullet]

yessssss......Zman pwns again!!! Keep at it man. I would spout forth technical knowledge, but sometimes I see it as a useless fight.

[tuned944]

A friend of mine was showing off trying to drift in his 1985/1 944. Now we call it "Guards-RAIL Red." He caused extensive Right-Front damage and a crease in the frame. He's decided not to drift anymore.

[Porschefile]

Personally, I think drifting or participating in drift events is a good way to learn how to control your car and improve your driving skills. However, what I am not down with is the guys who are trying to make it into a "lifestyle" and that think it is an actual sport. I'm sorry, it's something fun to do if you are into it, but it is NOT a sport or motorsport IMO. That's like making a sport out of parallel parking!

As for the "Drift King", are you talking about Tsuchiya, or the original guy that he kind of learned from in the ~70's? I remember drifting was the way pro drivers in japan drove Kpgc10 Datsun Skyline 2000 GTR's, but that was mainly a result of the crappy tires at the time. Due to the tires, drifting was actually faster, however tire technology is light years ahead now so this isn't the case.

[Enthuzed1]

i think he was talking about Tsuchiya....but do you have any more info on this guy from the 70's? i'ts fun forcing random info into my head.....

[nathan944]

tearing up your car is cool.

[svandamme]

i go sideways on a daily basis in my 924.
got 185R15 Pirelli's and the gardener assigned to our city block is a bit miffed coz i keep messing up the lawn. the neighbours aren't to happy either.. but hey , it's a lifestyle.