Porsche 928 S4's Are Slow!!

[EIPtuningR32]

tonight i went for a sunday night drive around town like i do almost every night. i was on a 4 lane road at a red light when i 928 S4 pulled next to me. (i was in a 2004 VW R32) and he rolled down his window and said nice car. i said thanks blah blah blah i have a '82 928S euro he said cool blah blah blah. then we both took off. i beat him off the line cause i had all wheel drive. his rears were just spinning like a mofo. i started to slow down at 80 cause the speed limit was 40mph or 45. (dont remember) then he creeped up about 10 feet from me then punched it again. he only got to where i could see his front tire in the driver window then i began to loose him again. then we got to another light and he asked "whats going on in there?' i told him it was all stock. (which it isnt cause i have a neuspeed short throw and a K&N drop in panel filter that goes in the OE box) but that stuff wouldnt really make a difference anyway except for shifting speed. K&N claims 3hp gain over stock. anyways.... then we both launched again only this time he hooked but it still wasnt much. in first gear he was ahead of me cause he had a really nice launch but by 2nd gear i was next to him and by 3rd i passed him. now i say all of this cause i hope my 928S euro will be faster than his S4 cause if its not, thats gonna be a dissapointment when i know i have a Porsche V8 Euro that can get spanked red by my 6 cylinder Volkswagen....

my R32

[EIPtuningR32]

P.S. - if any one has compared their 928 to another car that would prove to me that the S4 i fooled with was just an oddity of a 928, that would make me feel WAY better!

[american-kiwi]

the thing is..928's arent fast off the line...there a "GT"...high speed cruiser ...now if the guy had said...lets see who has the fastest car at top speeds over say a 200-300 mile drive...i think your going to loose big time...i dont see a vw doing 170+ MPH...without breaking something very soon!...where as the 928 will do those speeds allllllllll day long...so if your doing your 928 for Stoplight drags..you might want to think about selling it......dont get me wrong...there's nothing wrong with VW's...i like them a lot too...i would like to own a nice early KG...this just might not be the car you want

[Danglerb]

Stock I would expect a Euro S 5 spd to maybe be slightly faster than an auto S4. The S4 has more low end torque, but the Euro S 5 spd has that clutch magic launch and maybe a touch of top end and a bit less weight.

Is a 928 fast, yes.

Are there faster cars, yes.

Would I pick one for a light to light street racer, nope. Any garden variety sport bike is going to be way faster, so will any moderately fast newer car with the slightest of mods.

Its possible to improve a 928 a fair amount in power, but the basic suspension design doesn't seem to work well for drag racing, so its never going to be a lot faster in the critical 0 to 30 mph range.

So what you asking for your pokey slow old 928?

***************************** OTOH, as a street and track car, where the track has braking and turns, the 928 is pretty darned good.

[devilinblack]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

OTOH, as a street and track car, where the track has braking and turns, the 928 is pretty darned good.

It always leaves a big smile on my face after a day at the track.

[Incognito]

The VW R32 and an S4 have similar 1/4 mile and 0-60 times even though the power to weight ratio favor the S4 by around 15%.
I guess the all wheel drive is the key there.

I'd rather have the S4 though because for less than the price of a new R32 I bought a good condition S4 with nice suspension upgrades put a supercharger on it and it will smoke that VW in a big way. A 10 psi blower on an S4 gives you twice the power to weight ratio compared to the R32 and all wheel drive won't overcome that kind of HP advantage even with the S4's gearing disadvantage. Then take the S4 out on a track or cross country and the VW will be even father behind.

Then park the two side by side and just look at them! Nuff said!

[EIPtuningR32]

Originally Posted by american-kiwi

the thing is..928's arent fast off the line...there a "GT"...high speed cruiser ...now if the guy had said...lets see who has the fastest car at top speeds over say a 200-300 mile drive...i think your going to loose big time...i dont see a vw doing 170+ MPH...without breaking something very soon!...where as the 928 will do those speeds allllllllll day long...so if your doing your 928 for Stoplight drags..you might want to think about selling it......dont get me wrong...there's nothing wrong with VW's...i like them a lot too...i would like to own a nice early KG...this just might not be the car you want

i know your point exactly but just for the record the mk4 R32 does 173mph... and to be dead honest i would probably feel safer going that fast in the VW but thats because i have no experience at speed in a 928 and i know what my 928 feels like. just the thought of going that fast in a old worn out car freaks me out... but i still love her!

[EIPtuningR32]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

So what you asking for your pokey slow old 928?

***************************** OTOH, as a street and track car, where the track has braking and turns, the 928 is pretty darned good.

if your asking me if i want to sell it, i wasnt really thinking about that at all..... im to far in the love hole with the car (unfortunately) and at the same time

[EIPtuningR32]

Originally Posted by EIPtuningR32

if your asking me if i want to sell it, i wasnt really thinking about that at all..... im to far in the love hole with the car (unfortunately) and at the same time

its like marrying someone. you marry them and you feel like cause your stuck with them. but then again you feel like cause you just realized you married Jessica Biel!

[devilinblack]

Oh, but to be young again.

[american-kiwi]

great old vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsxQZ_H96aY

think you could do that with one finger in a car that looks like a block of project houses?

here's something i'd love to test drive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ffYokJgg5s

[Landseer]

This is one of my all-time favorites

http://tinyurl.com/3bp4rp

[spiffcheese]

here is the thing a 928 Auto goes from 0-60 in 6.1 sec but that was over 25 years ago so add like .5 sec to that and that's how fast it really is off the line

i have a 1987 928 s4 and i have gotten it up over a 130 miles per hour that is faster then my 98 M3 which goes from 0-6 in like 5.3 sec (not stock)

[artikulieren]

I think the major difference is that the R32 is a "wanker car" and the 928S4 is a modern day classic. Also, I don't drive anything competitively with a fwd chassis architecture. I also don't care how my grand tourers get from stoplight to stoplight, and if anything I would want to go slow to be seen in the damn thing! They (928's) are a rarity on the road these days and people in the know really, genuinely enjoy seeing them.

[MPDano]

I dunno. No offense, but VW Rabbits look like Chick Cars.

[Craig S.]

With some exhaust work, and a chip for the engine, then a trans. bypass( first gear always selected from a stand still), and maybe a 2200-2400 stall torque converter. Then watch the 0-60 times fall... quick off the line and killer once rolling.

A S4 really shines from 100-150 mph.

[spiffcheese]

the 928 also does not have a chip that cuts back the speed to 155 it can go up to 165 if you have not already put in a new chip and if someone really wanted to race from stop light to stop light they would just have got a 911 the 928 is a gt car not a drag racer

[diverdan]

All cars are compromises of one sort or another. Technology has created some awesome machines that weren't practical years ago. Passed a new Sirocco this am and, "Wow!" Its a cool ride. However, its $36,000.00., DIY is probably seriously compromised as are most moderncars, and the original 928 was lighter! Don't get me wrong. There are lots of neat cars out there, but I the 928 compromise is a heck of a great one that will outlive most.

Dan

[DanielDudley]

R32s are not exactly slow, and I had the same experience in my 89 S4 a few years back, where he scooted me off the line.

S4s have the tall ring and pinion. Mine was geared a litlle different, but they aren't jack rabbits.

Chick car comments are wuss BTW.

[Danglerb]

Bill Ball took his 200k mile S4 to Nevada last weekend and did a 90 mile run of open road racing averaging I think 145 or 150 mph, thats what a 928 is about. Another 928 I think got a red flag for exceeding 200 mph. The number of cars that can do that in production trim is TINY and very expensive compared to a 928.