Anyone running a 944 in CSP?

thewerxracing · 10-01-2009, 08:50 AM

My car is being built for C Street Prepared over the winter. E-Stock has become too slow for me and it's time to move up.

Is anyone running a seriously built 944 in CSP, or am I wasting my time chasing Miatas?

CMDR Perry · CMDR Perry's Garage

The Miata has some advantages due to its small size and tossability. Sounds like a real P car man challenge to me. Good luck.

962porsche · 10-01-2009, 05:46 PM

a maita has a good 50 50 balance like the 944 about the same hp and tork from there 1.8L motor the weigh is about 500 lbs lighter . there are more things you can do to a miata to get HP and Tork than you can to a 944 . that is if you don't want to put your self in the poor house doing so. one of my 8v 944's i spent enough money on to compete with cars like the mazda's i could have a fleat of miata's . so can it be doen YES .

thewerxracing · 10-01-2009, 06:20 PM

It can be done. That's all I needed to hear. The challenge is on.
But I need everyones help.l
Point me in the right direction.

962porsche · 10-01-2009, 09:05 PM

the first thing is geting the car as light as you can . start thinking in 10th of LBS . every little nut , bolt , bracket ,clip and so on goes if you need it . then a total motor rebuild . regrind cam, compresion go up to about 13 to 1 ,5 angle valve job (a 3 angle does not hold up ! been there doen that !) new short skirt pistons , one off intake and exhust . the old flapper door crap goes for a stand alone sys. there is little to none in the way of performance up grades offered from aftermarket co,s for the 944 . so you will have to do the designing and fabrication .

thewerxracing · 10-02-2009, 07:15 AM

962- have you done this? Do you have pictures?

962porsche · 10-02-2009, 02:36 PM

yes i have ! and no i don't . i don't own a camera .

J P Stein · 10-02-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 962porsche

the first thing is geting the car as light as you can . start thinking in 10th of LBS . every little nut , bolt , bracket ,clip and so on goes if you need it . then a total motor rebuild . regrind cam, compresion go up to about 13 to 1 ,5 angle valve job (a 3 angle does not hold up ! been there doen that !) new short skirt pistons , one off intake and exhust . the old flapper door crap goes for a stand alone sys. there is little to none in the way of performance up grades offered from aftermarket co,s for the 944 . so you will have to do the designing and fabrication .

Ahhhh.....you can't do most of this stuff in CSP. Engine must be all stock internals, but intake & exhaust are free. Get a rule book before you start.

IMO, you haven't a snowballs chance in hell (maybe less) of putting it on a good Miata CSP car.....but it might be fun trying.

Here's a CSP Miata vid you may enjoy.

YouTube - Packwood National Tour 2008

enderjetta · enderjetta's Garage

dam miata! didn't realize i was going to be in there class till last weekend race day, was so bummed! Stock 924s

962porsche · 10-02-2009, 06:30 PM

i road race and do time trails . i do not know auto crossing classes or rules but a regrind on the stock cam should be ok no ? so get the compresion up to 11 to 1 that way you still could keep the stock 3 angle valve job and don't use the crank from the 968 motor . one of the biggest things that cork up the 944's is the dated DEE sys. so if you can change it to get more air and fuel into the motor and a good exhaust header .a 4 -2-1 with longer runners is a big help on getting gasses out . you still can get the car way down in weight .i got my car down to 2052 LBS wet . a big plus with the 944 is its a true 50 50 balanced car . the miatas are close to 50 50 but are not . an other plus for the 944 is the body flex . the open top miata i had flexed when pushed hard . so hard it chipped the door edges untill i installed a full roll cage . so look at it this way the short coming with the 924-944 is its motor (power to weight)it does out handle the miatas and the short coming with the miatas is its handling but they have good power to weight . i hate to say this but when vw-audi designed and built the 924-944 they did a dam good job! it was porsche with there motor that killed that car.

thewerxracing · 10-05-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by J P Stein

Ahhhh.....you can't do most of this stuff in CSP. Engine must be all stock internals, but intake & exhaust are free. Get a rule book before you start.

IMO, you haven't a snowballs chance in hell (maybe less) of putting it on a good Miata CSP car.....but it might be fun trying.

Here's a CSP Miata vid you may enjoy.

YouTube - Packwood National Tour 2008

I've been autocrossing for a few years, so this isn't the first endevour. The car is currently set-up to own E-Stock. However, a blown head gasket that was discovered yesterday means I'll be driving a Miata next weekend.

I do understand that a 944 is a Roadracer better than an autocrosser, and that a Miata is the opposite of that. But I still want to try to win CSP next year. Thanks for the input and the help.

So now, the motor is coming out so I can remove the head, do the belts, and clean out the milkshake from the bad head gasket.

This winter is going to be fun.

Also, has anyone heard of the SCCA's new class? Street Touring R or something?