This car has been hammered ....

[nathanbs]

You can see this area is filled with filler as the stamped details are lost and super rounded out. Specifically the smaller stamping as it’s almost gone

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by pmax

We gonna need a better protractor.

What downward angle ?





Again, there's no question the bumper gap should be inspected. If you have pics of these brackets in this example, post them.

I agree this picture isn't clear enough to show what I am trying to explain. I wish I had a good comparison picture but I don't. Another thing you might be missing is the lower portion of the rear bumper should be painted black like the bottom of the rockers.

I'm not sure if we are arguing what I am saying is wrong about this car or if it has been in an accident or not?

I guess you can assume I am incorrect and spend money on this car. I would be happy to say "I told you so". If I am mistaken there is always a first time for everything and once out of many hundreds isn't bad.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

I agree this picture isn't clear enough to show what I am trying to explain. I wish I had a good comparison picture but I don't. Another thing you might be missing is the lower portion of the rear bumper should be painted black like the bottom of the rockers.

Thanks for the confirmation, thought I was not seeing it in that pic.

Originally Posted by Cobalt

I'm not sure if we are arguing what I am saying is wrong about this car or if it has been in an accident or not?

I guess you can assume I am incorrect and spend money on this car. I would be happy to say "I told you so". If I am mistaken there is always a first time for everything and once out of many hundreds isn't bad.

No argument that this car is not for those looking for perfect lines.

But it is still a driver in a desired color to me. How much is it worth ? I say less than what the current dealer is asking for. Is this a turd to be avoided at all costs ? I say not.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Could be a wheel spacer issue but this doesn't look right to me also.

I agree the shape of the arches is incorrect. It isn't by much but enough. These usually bulge when hit in the back end and the curvature changes. I am sure if I had access to the car and took some measurements it would be quite apparent.

This picture also says so much. The side quarters are pushed in considerably the gaps are all wrong. The inside of the side lights should line up with the lines in the bumper pieces. I would guess if you tried to mount the rear lid on another car it was ground down to fit the opening which is reduced and bends inward towards the tail lights. The line should be straight down the back to the lights. I see this cheap fix a lot. Make the good parts fit instead of correcting the problem. LOL

[Marine Blue]

A hard hit to the back could skew the mounting points for the engine which can increase stress points on the engine and the chassis. If the hit was hard enough it could also skew the rear suspension connecting points which will make future alignment challenging.

Those two reasons alone would scare me away from this one at any price more than $35k.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by pmax

Thanks for the confirmation, thought I was not seeing it in that pic.



No argument that this car is not for those looking for perfect lines.

But it is still a driver in a desired color to me. How much is it worth ? I say less than what the current dealer is asking for. Is this a turd to be avoided at all costs ? I say not.

We seem to be out of sync. No problem it is all good. Hopefully someone learns from this when looking.

I know of cars like this that the insurance company totaled and others fixed like this. A bad 964 isn't worth it. This IMO is a parts car and the $41k for it was more than it was worth. Engine $18k tranny $9k misc parts another $10k possibly more - the time to part out. Fix the issues will set you back $30k min possibly more. I would have preferred to buy the car damaged from the accident and fixed it up properly. I bet it will cost more to fix now from fixing all the bad work.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

We seem to be out of sync. No problem it is all good. Hopefully someone learns from this when looking.

I know of cars like this that the insurance company totaled and others fixed like this. A bad 964 isn't worth it. This IMO is a parts car and the $41k for it was more than it was worth. Engine $18k tranny $9k misc parts another $10k possibly more - the time to part out. Fix the issues will set you back $30k min possibly more. I would have preferred to buy the car damaged from the accident and fixed it up properly. I bet it will cost more to fix now from fixing all the bad work.

No problem indeed. It's just a different opinion.

I will mention the 356 market again as proof that these cars have value beyond the sum of the parts even when there's glaring and major metalwork issues. I recall seeing one which sold easily even with a rippled (!!) floorpan.

Will the 964 get there ? Possibly.
Is this 964 a parts car ? No way.

[sugarwood]

Thanks Cobalt for clarifying the rounded stamping issues on the cross piece that has stickers.
The latch hole is also not a proper arrow shape. Looks like a cheap aftermarket panel.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by pmax

No problem indeed. It's just a different opinion.

I will mention the 356 market again as proof that these cars have value beyond the sum of the parts even when there's glaring and major metalwork issues. I recall seeing one which sold easily even with a rippled (!!) floorpan.

Will the 964 get there ? Possibly.
Is this 964 a parts car ? No way.

IMO the 964 market for the right cars is already there. With some examples reaching over $2m and cars like this asking 3 times what they are worth.

I as much as anyone would love to save as many 964's as possible since so few remain and although I have the knowledge, ability, experience and resources to repair a car like this IMO it is a fools errand. If you buy this car or already have I wish you all the best with it.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

IMO the 964 market for the right cars is already there. With some examples reaching over $2m and cars like this asking 3 times what they are worth.

I as much as anyone would love to save as many 964's as possible since so few remain and although I have the knowledge, ability, experience and resources to repair a car like this IMO it is a fools errand. If you buy this car or already have I wish you all the best with it.

Anyone buying this car should have a good independent shop inspect it.

We're in agreement on that. What we disagree on is your recommendation that this car (and hence, similar) should be parted out.

Perhaps you should stick to a more common make.

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by pmax

Perhaps you should stick to a more common make.

do you try to sound like a condescending prick or does it just come naturally to you?

you crack me up. you come arcross as though cobalt hasn't a clue what he's talking about or lacks the experience to back up his opinion. and your experience with the 964 is?...

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by dwelle

do you try to sound like a condescending prick or does it just come naturally to you?

you crack me up. you come arcross as though cobalt hasn't a clue what he's talking about or lacks the experience to back up his opinion. and your experience with the 964 is?...

I suspect Max has no clue who he’s talking to. Anthony has forgotten more about 964s than Max will ever know.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by dwelle

do you try to sound like a condescending prick or does it just come naturally to you?

you crack me up. you come arcross as though cobalt hasn't a clue what he's talking about or lacks the experience to back up his opinion. and your experience with the 964 is?...

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I suspect Max has no clue who he’s talking to. Anthony has forgotten more about 964s than Max will ever know.

Welcome to the thread. I'm honored.

That is the same mindset which led to the unnecessary destruction of many of these classic cars.

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by pmax

Anyone buying this car should have a good independent shop inspect it.

We're in agreement on that. What we disagree on is your recommendation that this car (and hence, similar) should be parted out.

Perhaps you should stick to a more common make.

Always a snarky comment from you. There's a reason the last seller put it up on eBay for $42k BIN and it isn't because they didn't know the 964 market. I don't think the car is particularly a parts car and might make a good driver if everything is OK structurally. I however think it's not worth remotely close to the $64k ask after Coblat's accident analysis.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Always a snarky comment from you.

I meant it, no "snark" intended.

If you consider this (and similar) a parts car, please move to a different make.

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

I don't think the car is particularly a parts car and might make a good driver if everything is OK structurally.

Yup, said the same in my previous posts.

Any interested buyer should have the car inspected by a good and independent shop.

[Matt Monson]

It is a Parts car. It would be a good basis for a Singer...

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

It is a Parts car. It would be a good basis for a Singer...

i had the same thought. i'm not super keen on all the 964's being chopped up to make backdates, singers, etc. but this seems like a perfect candidate for such a build.

Originally Posted by pmax

I meant it, no "snark" intended.

If you consider this (and similar) a parts car, please move to a different make.

gotcha. so sounding like an ass addressing folks who know far more than you about the subject at hand does come naturally to you...

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

It would be a good basis for a Singer...

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by dwelle

. . .



gotcha. so sounding like an ass addressing folks who know far more than you about the subject at hand does come naturally to you...

I luvz me some pNutz, I really do, but daaaayuuummmnnnn, that is fookin funny, Mr. Dwelle - well done!

***forum butt pinching***

[specialtyoneinc]

Wonder what was the hammer price?

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