Recession sink values????

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by Alan A

No he has it right.
They’d rather use Uber.

this.



also, supply won't matter if/when demand eases.

our cars simply won't be "cool" forever. who knows when that is. could be sooner than later. or not.

precisely why i focus on driving and enjoying them now, couldn't really care less what they're worth as far as being an "asset" goes.

hell, with the gas laws a changin', no telling how much longer we'll even be able to drive internal combustion cars.

smoke 'em if you got 'em...

[G450X]

Originally Posted by trader220

Having worked for Porsche from 2008 to 2018 and either sold as a salesman or been involved with the sale, as the GSM, of hundreds of 911's I can tell you that few people ask for manuals and few regret they bought the PDK.

Obviously I have tens of thousands of miles in both manual and PDK cars. I find the manual in the 991 to be pretty useless, it does not have the feel of the prior models. The PDK is really the way to go in the 991. In the 997.2 I find the manual more engaging, then again I find the 997.2 to be more engaging all around.

Interesting, I’m sure that I have contacted only a fraction of the owners that you have. The 991 6 speed manual GT3 touring seems to be a popular choice and a better box than the odd 7 speed (a less expensive PDK derived manual rather than a proper 6 speed?).

I guess I’m kinda sad that the whole world has seemed to swing to the easy way to do everything these days. Seemingly automatic everything - Tesla’s which are quick but soulless, driverless cars...

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by dwelle

. . .

precisely why i focus on driving and enjoying them now, couldn't really care less what they're worth as far as being an "asset" goes.

. . .

Same here, and since I share your thoughts on Porsches, or any make, for that matter, being an asset, I always cringe, and then laugh, at people when they advise others to, "Keep it stock - worth more that way" (who cares if it sux more in stock form, too). And I really cringe and laugh when I read about peeps on here reverting their 930s mechanically back to stock (really, so and so actually wants to make the car accelerate, cruise and handle worse because of supposed market value possibilities?!?!).

[SalParadise]

Culture changes people. I remember when I first saw a 911 - I was 7 years old. It made a huge impression on me - but so did my grandfather's VW Bug, my uncle's VW 412, my grandmother's VW Squareback, my uncle's VW Sunbug. I really liked all these cars. The sounds, the smells, the feel. I remember playing around in the way back of the Squareback without seatbelts whenever we went anywhere.

I had the jumping 930 poster on my wall (you guys remember the one with the custom license plate of whoever it was sent to). I went to the junior prom in a white 911 SC Targa that my neighbor had. The first 911 I ever drove was a '73.T, and it changed me. Risky Business and Weird Science with a 928 in it.

When I was 15 all I wanted was a 911. In my senior year book that's all I wanted - and printed it. A '73 was my dream car (because I drove one as above). I remember going to the Javits Center in NYC and sitting in every car at the Porsche booth in 1987. I was amazed at how new they looked, and that they still made - a new 911.

These are all cultural influences from a time. These experiences were all very important to me.

However, as techweenie said, a lot of millennials could care less about a license or driving. It's very true. I was at a party last year and we talked about it. None of their kids wanted a license.

Things change. Culture changes. These elements do not surround my children. I don't know what's cool to them. Do they think a 911 is cool because I think so? My dad was never into 911s. He liked big American cars.

Who knows. But Chinese kids probably have posters of Panameras on their wall.

[93097004xx]

I can say that all the really nice air cooled examples have all been sold and locked away...

I can say for the last 36 months I have not seen even 1 condition 1 76/79 930 maybe less than 10 condition 2 76/79 930 over a 36 month period as well.

I’m sorry but it seems all the 70s G body’s currently offered are very very tatty.

When you talk about 930s from the 70s currently offered these tend to be very very tired.

I believe we have already exhausted all the truly nice examples.











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[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Culture changes people. I remember when I first saw a 911 - I was 7 years old. It made a huge impression on me - but so did my grandfather's VW Bug, my uncle's VW 412, my grandmother's VW Squareback, my uncle's VW Sunbug. I really liked all these cars. The sounds, the smells, the feel. I remember playing around in the way back of the Squareback without seatbelts whenever we went anywhere.

I had the jumping 930 poster on my wall (you guys remember the one with the custom license plate of whoever it was sent to). I went to the junior prom in a white 911 SC Targa that my neighbor had. The first 911 I ever drove was a '73.T, and it changed me. Risky Business and Weird Science with a 928 in it.

When I was 15 all I wanted was a 911. In my senior year book that's all I wanted - and printed it. A '73 was my dream car (because I drove one as above). I remember going to the Javits Center in NYC and sitting in every car at the Porsche booth in 1987. I was amazed at how new they looked, and that they still made - a new 911.

These are all cultural influences from a time. These experiences were all very important to me.

However, as techweenie said, a lot of millennials could care less about a license or driving. It's very true. I was at a party last year and we talked about it. None of their kids wanted a license.

Things change. Culture changes. These elements do not surround my children. I don't know what's cool to them. Do they think a 911 is cool because I think so? My dad was never into 911s. He liked big American cars.

Who knows. But Chinese kids probably have posters of Panameras on their wall.

Cool story. What’s a Sun bug? I can attest to loving 911’s without any 911 influences growing up. Tons of VWs and 356s though. My first car was a ‘69 ghia with a 2176cc motor in it. That was a blast!!

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

I can say that all the really nice air cooled examples have all been sold and locked away...

I can say for the last 36 months I have not seen even 1 condition 1 76/79 930 maybe less than 10 condition 2 76/79 930 over a 36 month period as well.

I’m sorry but it seems all the 70s G body’s currently offered are very very tatty.

When you talk about 930s from the 70s currently offered these tend to be very very tired.

I believe we have already exhausted all the truly nice examples.


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You’re clearly not looking hard enough, there are plenty of very fine example 930s both currently for sale and that have sold in the past 36 months. Been under a rock for 3 years or what?

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by JMS935

You’re clearly not looking hard enough, there are plenty of very fine example 930s both currently for sale and that have sold in the past 36 months. Been under a rock for 3 years or what?

76/79 930s..

I’ve not seen anything but condition 3 or lower..


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[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

I can say that all the really nice air cooled examples have all been sold and locked away...

I can say for the last 36 months I have not seen even 1 condition 1 76/79 930 maybe less than 10 condition 2 76/79 930 over a 36 month period as well.

I’m sorry but it seems all the 70s G body’s currently offered are very very tatty.

When you talk about 930s from the 70s currently offered these tend to be very very tired.

I believe we have already exhausted all the truly nice examples.











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It's the middle of winter, so naturally fewer nice cars are for sale. This sounds like recency bias.

[1979-930]

Some of you are forgetting about the whole Fast and Furious generation. The movies created a bunch of younger car guys from my son's age of 15 to their 30s.
I agree the percentage of people into cars may be lower. But population is larger and the overall number is not that low.
Like Matt said there are a lot of young guys at C&C events. I get complements on my car all the time from kids 20 and under. But they are where I was at 20. They cannot afford a Porsche. They play around with imports and whatever they have.
The cars are half done projects and beaters. But every one of those cars you chuckle at has a car guy driving it. And he dreams of something cooler and faster when he can afford it.
Just like the rest of us did.

[MrBonus]

On a long enough scale, we will be like the old guys with steam cars at car show events. The electric car revolution is just beginning and I believe in a few decades, gas stations will be far fewer, so running our vehicles will become for special occasions and events.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

76/79 930s..

I’ve not seen anything but condition 3 or lower..


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Not only is your grading scale apparently off, but your parameters don’t even make much sense. 76/79 would be like me saying I’m watching the 88/91 turbo market, it’s just goofy. Your aversion to anything 1980’s 930 is illogical.

[manbridge 74]

Gas is a $1.91 a gallon here, practically giving it away. Will be even cheaper when battery tech changes (if it ever does).

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Not only is your grading scale apparently off, but your parameters don’t even make much sense. 76/79 would be like me saying I’m watching the 88/91 turbo market, it’s just goofy. Your aversion to anything 1980’s 930 is illogical.

Hmm...

So you are under the misperception that a 78/79 930 is the same as a 1980 and up 930..

TOTALLY DIFFERENT

Different handling

Different VIN

Different brakes

Different suspension

Different boost delivery delivery

I can also say that a lot of the parts porsche are selling now DO NOT fit early 3.3s or just flat out the incorrect parts.

I ran into this with

window regulators
window wiper arms
Outer rocker panel caps (finders are hand welded on early 3.3s not stamped)
A number of seals

This is where I stoped and turned it over to one of the best air cooled mechanics in the nation..

Project surpassed 150 hours..

I was only charged for 122 hours due to extra hours and research it took to get the exact correct parts for a 1979 930 not a 1986 930.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

99% hogwash.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

Different VIN

Says the guy with his VIN for his handle.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Says the guy with his VIN for his handle.

When you start to argue with a fool, you will have greater success yelling at a mirror. Save your keystrokes.

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

When you start to argue with a fool, you will have greater success yelling at a mirror. Save your keystrokes.

Please educate yourself.

I speak only of the facts.

Kill the messenger right??

Car & Driver 1986 clearly states over and over the 86 930 is no 79 930..

There are a number of these articles I’m prepared to upload if it needed.

Please read,learn grow the porsche hobby!

https://porsche930pdf.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/img_20171127_0001.pdf



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[dwelle]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

Hmm...

So you are under the misperception that a 78/79 930 is the same as a 1980 and up 930..

TOTALLY DIFFERENT

Different handling

Different VIN

Different brakes

Different suspension

Different boost delivery delivery

I can also say that a lot of the parts porsche are selling now DO NOT fit early 3.3s or just flat out the incorrect parts.

I ran into this with

window regulators
window wiper arms
Outer rocker panel caps (finders are hand welded on early 3.3s not stamped)
A number of seals

This is where I stoped and turned it over to one of the best air cooled mechanics in the nation..

Project surpassed 150 hours..

I was only charged for 122 hours due to extra hours and research it took to get the exact correct parts for a 1979 930 not a 1986 930.

yes, but how fast will it go in 2nd gear?!...

[Rawknees'Turbo]

That Car and Driver article is pure fantasy (or as MountainMan would say, "rubbish"), that is obviously written by someone who is ill informed.