Value of frankenstein 72 911T

jhynesrockmtn · 02-12-2019, 04:43 AM

I have a car that I bought in 2006 as a project and have just never done anything with it other than collect a few parts. As I got more into Porsches and driving I went from doing DE's to vintage racing and keeping my 914-4 and GT replica race cars running is my priority.

It's a weird "forward dated" car that the previous owner spent a lot of time and money on back in the 80's. He bought in 1983. It started life as a sportomatic non sunroof coupe and over several years was modified to look like a 74 impact bumper carrera with a weber carb'd 3.2 liter. It was "finished" in 1989 in its current form and parked and stored in 2003. The motor turns over by hand. I've never tried to get it running. I have 5 pages of history from the PO describing what he bought and how it was converted in a lot of detail.

I'm baffled as to value. I've seen 72 project cars with no motor sell on BAT for $25k. My original intent was to get it running, convert to MT and drive. With values where they are, it may be a candidate to take back to a longhood. The original motor is long gone.

My intention was to convert the car to a 915 and bought a rebuilt mag case 915, work done by Chris's German in Bellevue WA to the tune of $4,000. I have the receipt and verified the story with their shop manager at the time of purchase. I have a shift rod and pedal cluster lying around somewhere.

A 3.2 from an 84 with Weber 46 IDA's was the last motor the PO installed. It has 45k on it when it was pulled from a wreck. I don't know current miles as his extensive history has dates but no odo readings.

I would assume it might be worth more to sell things off separately or at least price it that way. The extensive "purpling" of the car is a bit nauseating as he touched everything. The rust seems pretty minimal. The front pan has been worked on previously. The left dogleg area has some rust.

Much of the suspension is SC and/or Carrera. It has some nice parts. Bosch H1's, SSI heat exchangers.

So, how would you proceed and any help on value of the whole or parts would be appreciated? I'm in Spokane WA if that helps.

A few pics.

SalParadise · 02-12-2019, 06:15 AM

Too bad Prince is dead.

It really doesn't look bad as it sits - besides the interior. I have seen a lot worse.

It may be worth keeping it where it is and getting it to be a safe driver. I don't think it's worth all the money to convert it back.

I'd say somewhere in the '20s would get it done, because it's going to take $10K at least to make it safe. It's not really a '72 anymore. Longhood body parts such as fenders, hood, rear area, bumpers now cost a a$$ load of money. Thousands and thousands.

You could hold out for that magic number which seems to be always popping up and that's $35K - but I do not see that right now. It's going to take a special buyer who looks past all the purple (which as I said, doesn't look bad on the outside, only the in) and would want to get it going as-is.

SalParadise · 02-12-2019, 06:19 AM

....but if you would like to maximize your money I would pull the engine and sell it separately - but I would get it running first. I would sell that 915 you have separately and not include it on the deal. I would probably sell the tail separate if it's real. You would make out money wise if you broke it up - because like you said it's non-matching anyway.

jhynesrockmtn · 02-12-2019, 07:21 AM

Thanks. The quality of the paint in the day was quite good. It has actually held up well. There is a crease in the left rear fender and the paint cracked otherwise the body is almost perfect and the color is beautiful, as you say, on the exterior. The interior is terrible. He even sent all of the gauges to Hollywood Speedo back in the 80's and had them all painted purple :-)

msort81 · 02-12-2019, 08:41 AM

I like it ! The 72 cache is still going strong even in this depressed market. With the rust visible I would start mid 30's and low 30's gets it done.

Interior could easily be re done at home. Personally I think it's a candidate for the RS look. I bet with the 3.2 it goes like stink. To me car looks like it has the potential to be a solid driver. I would find someone who wants it as is.

SalParadise · 02-12-2019, 09:03 AM

I really like '74/'75 Carreras - so that's what that car is - a light body with some stuff on it.

If it were mine I would keep it as-is and put all new fuel lines in it - front to back - do all the brakes, new tires, check out the engine (adjust valves,reseal the triangle,rebuild the carbs). What horrors lurk in that original fuel tank? and take it out for a spin.

The more I look at that color on the exterior the more I like it with the silver decal. I need to look away now before I get any new ideas.

The gauges are priceless. You can't blame him for having a singular mindset and following through.

jhynesrockmtn · 02-12-2019, 11:00 AM

If you are bored and want to read the cars history under the PO, here is it. I give him credit for going all in on the conversion I guess.

Matt Monson · 02-12-2019, 12:34 PM

Ask $35k including the spare gearbox.

SalParadise · 02-12-2019, 12:52 PM

Wow, what a cool history. Thanks for taking the time to put that in - it was a treat reading it.

Pretty awesome. Now that I see that history I would not part it out. I think it's time for a new owner if you sell it to add more to that history.

So it still has the Sporto in it? Wow, awesome.

jhynesrockmtn · 02-12-2019, 01:15 PM

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So it still has the Sporto in it? Wow, awesome.

The sportomatic is still in the car. The 915 I bought in Seattle just after I bought the car and have been storing that along with all of the other crap I have. Thankfully my wife married me after I acquired this mess of cars and parts :-)

jhynesrockmtn · 02-12-2019, 01:22 PM

The pics in the original post were older from my previous residence on the westside near Seattle. This is the car now in my new shop in Spokane with most of the rest of my collection of stuff. I'm out of space and realistically won't get to this until I'm retired if I keep it thus this thread. The car below it is what will end up being my retirement project, an original 1971 914 1.7. Of the older Porsches I have, its the only one with matching numbers :-)

Thanks for your input thus far, I appreciate it!

msort81 · 02-12-2019, 01:49 PM

Jerry thats a very cool Porsche ...

I love the documentation. It's such a great history of the car, and a roadmap of what someone needs to do to bring it back to original. I love the way he describes the door replacement. #ROFL

Cars really authentic and marks a moment in time before all the ballyhoo of the last few years. I hope someone will buy it. Stick in a 915 and enjoy the snot out of it

SalParadise · 02-12-2019, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by msort81

Cars really authentic and marks a moment in time before all the ballyhoo of the last few years. I hope someone will buy it. Stick in a 915 and enjoy the snot out of it

Right on to this one. As I said, now that I see the story, this car has a personality all its own - purple gauges and all. Yeah, I'd stick the 915 in it and stomp it and steer.

msort81 · 04:59 PM

Jerry
Please tell me what the original color was.
The more i look at the car, the more i dig it. Once its running I think the only things to do would be buy a set of gauges and get rid of the carpets, shifter boot, & console plus remove Carrera from the Glove box

It's very period cool. I think BAT could be a venue if you really want to sell.
Personally i would never sell it. Its way to interesting, reminds me of my early days in the hobby. Molested then unmolested since. It looks cool with the little patina and the oil flapper is probably the most desirable LH.

Digging orange & 'lime' but my hearts with #77. Wide body naughty-ness.

LakeCleElum · 02-12-2019, 05:31 PM

Jerry - I remember looking at that car while you and your son waited patiently outside until I decided to pass........You have kept it looking great and described it accurately.....

For me, the short hood conversion was a deal breaker at the time.......

SalParadise · 02-12-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeCleElum

For me, the short hood conversion was a deal breaker at the time.......

The key words here being "at the time."

gearby · 02-12-2019, 08:53 PM

Are we really getting nostalgic about the 80s molestation's that occurred? Some of you guys are nuttier than squirrel poop.
That is one unusually detailed history that reads more like a horror story.
Car will probably still fetch 30k to 35k only because of the engine and the transmission you have with it. It's lost all identity as a 1972. Returning it back to a longhood status it's not really worth it. In the end it is still a sportomatic that has lost its original engine. Far too expensive to return back to a 72 that could never be fully original. As another person stated, I would remove the purple interior and replace it with black and just drive the thing and have a good time with it.

gearby · 02-12-2019, 10:06 PM

I forgot to add, yank the sporto out, sell it to one of the old ladies on here, and put in the 915.

jhynesrockmtn · 05:02 AM

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That is one unusually detailed history that reads more like a horror story.

Coffee out the nose, thanks for that. Sums up my feeling as I read through the PO's history on the car :-)

Just goes to show how times have changed. In the 80's longhoods were not drooled over and plenty were modded beyond recognition. Now impact bumper hot rods converted to longhoods are selling on BAT for big $'s.

gearby · 02-13-2019, 05:41 AM

It is a strange world we live in. I own a 1972 that is very original. Even down to the hood shocks dated 1971. And the only reason I bought my car in 1993, was because it was the only 911 I could afford at 21 years old. I only paid $2,300 for it, because nobody wanted the long hoods. My plans were to modify the car into an RS. Thank goodness I never got around to that.