What does the group think of GT3 cars?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Alan A

All of them?
Only because I'd heard that was addressed by 04.
Of course since mine's an 04 and doesn't have that issue I may also have a little confirmation bias.

If you had the problem you would have had it long ago. It’s the modern equivalent of valve guides on a 3.2. Either it happened under 50-60k mi or you don’t have the problem. If it happens later in life it’s worn out, not defective.

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

If you had the problem you would have had it long ago. It’s the modern equivalent of valve guides on a 3.2. Either it happened under 50-60k mi or you don’t have the problem. If it happens later in life it’s worn out, not defective.

It's still under 50k. There's still time...

[wgwollet]

I do not hear much negative. I definitely will do my homework because I want a non tracked car. But to say cheap, no...I see the good 996 GT3 for about $80,000.

Not found many under $70k, I gotta drive one because the clutch and ride I keep hearing as very ruff.

I am afraid the 996 Turbos are too plush, some say like a Lazy Boy.
Anybody understand if the PCCB brakes a problem ? Or is it a good option, I will never track the car.

[Mehoff]

Originally Posted by wgwollet

I do not hear much negative. I definitely will do my homework because I want a non tracked car. But to say cheap, no...I see the good 996 GT3 for about $80,000.

Not found many under $70k, I gotta drive one because the clutch and ride I keep hearing as very ruff.

I am afraid the 996 Turbos are too plush, some say like a Lazy Boy.
Anybody understand if the PCCB brakes a problem ? Or is it a good option, I will never track the car.

Oh man, have I got some good news for you! Those prices are imaginary asks based on the brief silly season last year. For a 6GT3 to sell over $70k it needs to be a very special car....think >25k miles, zero or little track time, all preventative maintenance done, near perfect paint, unique color and buckets. Those are few and far between.

Most cars will fall into the good driver catergory: think 50-75k miles, few track mods, black or silver, some rash but very good mechanical condition. Those cars fall somewhere in the range of $50k's. This is actually sales, not the list and pray.

Same thing happened about 3 years ago with the 993TT's, where a few drivers sold in mid $100k's and then they all hit the market. There is a relatively significant bid-ask across the GT3 realm, with the only cars trading either the super-premium 1% or those where the seller capitulated to reality.

Only problem you may run into is that the 6GT3 sellers may not be motivated, so they could just sit on the car. We've seen 991GT3 prices crater on good volume because many of those sellers actually want move the car to free up cash, move to something else or get out before they get clobbered. It's highly unlikely that happens to the 6GT3 market.

Just stay patient, collect data and look at a BUNCH of cars. Eventually you'll run into someone that actually wants the car gone. Watch BaT as well; they're not allowing high reserves on these cars and they're trading well.

[mooty]

turbo pop out second rear are fixed in warranty not all had the issue.

someone found $50k 996 gt3? if it’s no stories that a buy for sure. a good one is easily 70k above. 10k miles.

[Mehoff]

Originally Posted by mooty

turbo pop out second rear are fixed in warranty not all had the issue.

someone found $50k 996 gt3? if it’s no stories that a buy for sure. a good one is easily 70k above. 10k miles.

I should clarify, "In the $50k's" means anywhere from $50-59k, closer to the high end for good cars. Totally agree the great cars are above $70k, but I'm talking about the 99%, not the 1% (or maybe to be a little more fair, the 95% not the 5%).

.....and I've seen 3 cars (all black) trade sub $50k over the past 4 months. All track cars that would not be fun to street drive and all over 100k miles. Honestly neither of those would scare me off, but I'd prefer to pay an extra $10k for a car that's had an easier life.

[spyerx]

Don’t let a little track time scare you. Miles and use tend to be good for these cars. You want one regularly driven with maintenance records.
Regarding pccb the versions in the 996 were early and frankly i don’t feel Porsche got it right until the latest 991. The 997 are ok. If it has carbons you’ll want them inspected for wear. Or just put steel on it.

[Matt Monson]

That J class racer serviced by Eurosport that sold for $40k this week was well bought. Track rat through and through but worth whet was paid.

[mooty]

Originally Posted by Mehoff

I should clarify, "In the $50k's" means anywhere from $50-59k, closer to the high end for good cars. Totally agree the great cars are above $70k, but I'm talking about the 99%, not the 1% (or maybe to be a little more fair, the 95% not the 5%).

.....and I've seen 3 cars (all black) trade sub $50k over the past 4 months. All track cars that would not be fun to street drive and all over 100k miles. Honestly neither of those would scare me off, but I'd prefer to pay an extra $10k for a car that's had an easier life.

right on!
high 50/low 60 you begin to see "used" but decently clean cars.

[911boost]

996TT great highway car

997 GT3 for the win on every other road

[Locker537]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

That J class racer serviced by Eurosport that sold for $40k this week was well bought. Track rat through and through but worth whet was paid.

Seeing that car sell for 40K made owning one very achievable in my mind.

[wgwollet]

So far I seen one for $65k, and it was nice but 65k miles.
I would like non track car and not modified. I hope your right about prices but, I have not negotiated yet.
One is black/black, 16,000 miles $80k
Yellow/black 20k miles $75k
Silver/black 16k miles $80k
All private owners

[em78911]

Originally Posted by mooty

cheap fix


yes to all

996 GT3 is not a car you want to DD. it's like wearing 4" heel all day.. what's the point. but the clutch is NOT heavy. some guys needs to do a bit more leg press.

all GT3 are marvelous cars.

Meh, to each his own. I Daily my 04 GT3 and I happen to have ZERO complaints. its all up to what you DO or DON'T like or what you will and wont tolerate.
I would want no other car to drive to work everyday.
I live in the Midwest so no.. the roads are not perfect and I still don't mind it.

[smokintr6]

I agree that you either will or wont like it as a daily driver, and it's just down to personal preference. I think my 997.2 GT3 is probably the best road car I own, and I definitely would NOT describe it as a cup car for the road. I think it's about the most perfect road car that could have been built. Many of the water cooled Mezger sounds are similar to my aircooled hot rod, to the extent that sometimes I forget the GT3 isn't aircooled. I haven't driven a 996 GT3, but I have ridden in several at an autocross. Personally I think the step up to the 997.2 GT3 is very much worth the money, as the extra torque and better engine sound is very noticeable.

[sugarwood]

350hp does not seem to be the insane HP overkill in modern cars.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by smokintr6

I agree that you either will or wont like it as a daily driver, and it's just down to personal preference. I think my 997.2 GT3 is probably the best road car I own, and I definitely would NOT describe it as a cup car for the road. I think it's about the most perfect road car that could have been built. Many of the water cooled Mezger sounds are similar to my aircooled hot rod, to the extent that sometimes I forget the GT3 isn't aircooled. I haven't driven a 996 GT3, but I have ridden in several at an autocross. Personally I think the step up to the 997.2 GT3 is very much worth the money, as the extra torque and better engine sound is very noticeable.

The 997.2 is far more refined than the 996. If it’s in ones budget and something grand touring is what you want, it is a better car. But better is subjective. Some people like the more visceral nature of the 996, to steal vaive’s word of the day.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

. . . Some people like the more visceral nature of the 996, to steal vaive’s word of the day.

Ha ha that's great! Does the 996 have more visceral than a 356?!?!

[wgwollet]

I hear from 996 GT3 owners that’s it’s a better overall car compared to newer versions

,because no gizmos too much the driver taken out of the drive

[mooty]

^ u ask 996 owner, they think they got the best
ask 997 owners, 997GT is best
ask 991 owner......

[mooty]

Originally Posted by em78911

Meh, to each his own. I Daily my 04 GT3 and I happen to have ZERO complaints. its all up to what you DO or DON'T like or what you will and wont tolerate.
I would want no other car to drive to work everyday.
I live in the Midwest so no.. the roads are not perfect and I still don't mind it.

excellent to enjoy the special car every day
I did that in 2004-2006. 110,xxx miles on 996gt3 chassis.
I commute 40 miles into financial district in SF. where pot hole 3" deep are common.
on occasion I even driven my 996cup car, 997 cup car and GT4 club sport to work with friend's dealer plates ;-)

now that was interesting.