Records value?

[nixtfy]

How much do repair receipts add or subtract from the value of the car?
Kind of a unique story. 2011 I bought a Row Zinnmetallic 911sc (930-10 motor) Slick top with 158k miles. I purchased It With all books back to 1981. My mechanic had maintained it since early 2000’s. 2016 I sold the car with 172 k to a friend. He never drove it and in fact never licensed it. I recently purchased the car back And it still has 172k miles. Unfortunately the sad news is he lost all the records.
I know it’s a good car as I have already owned it and know it’s history. The guy I bought it from in 2011 put 60k miles driving it 100 miles a day on the the tollways. He replaced about everything that was tired. Any opinions on value? How much it is affected without a history?
The car is really tight. The car definitely does not feel tired.
Blistein shocks
Msd ignition
Turbo tie rods
Good paint some rock chips. No dents or dings
No rust
Good leak down , no broken head studs, never in need a of a top end.
2016 I had about 6k of work done with every intention of keeping it. Replaced the heat exchangers, sealed up the motor, transmission was rebuilt, tune up, corner balance, New tires.
Car needs nothing, wait we’ll accept the a/c recharge

I Don’t plan to sell it as it really compliments my 88 targa with a 930 turbo motor. I just know this topic will come up Sooner or later when I find my next car.

[DblDog]

Ask your mechanic to perform a pre purchase inspection. That would re-establish, for the record, the condition of the car. Also, ask him to state his history with it. May be a moot point as you plan to keep it...always expand the fleet!

[1979-930]

If you are missing back up on a major repair like head studs or a rebuild then it will matter. Oil changes and maintenance not so much.

The only person that can answer that question accurately is the next buyer.


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[Matt Monson]

172k and never had any major engine work? Records won’t prop that car up when resale comes. Losing the record of the rebuilt gearbox is a bummer, but since it was you maybe you can ring the shop for a copy of the bill. Otherwise the next buyer will just have to buy the seller and take you at your word.

[nixtfy]

Matt, Yeah I hear you on never any engine work. Many claim they are good for 300 k miles. This one was never raced. I bought it in 2014 because of all the highway miles. In fact I sold my sc with 130 k miles because this one just drove better being Daily driven and maintained Religiously. The some of all the new parts made it a better car.
Matt your probably familiar with Eisenbud’s. Last time he drove it he stated everything was perfect except the change in the ashtray.

Well I guess another question is what is the car worth? 30 k

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

172k and never had any major engine work? Records won’t prop that car up when resale comes. Losing the record of the rebuilt gearbox is a bummer, but since it was you maybe you can ring the shop for a copy of the bill. Otherwise the next buyer will just have to buy the seller and take you at your word.

[JMS935]

Since you once had the service records OP, don’t you recall the shops it was serviced at? All you’d need to do is call them to get another print out so long as they’re still in business. The problem with missing records isn’t necessarily the records themselves, but where the work was done at. If one had that information, obtaining duplicate copies is very possible.

On the flip side, if you hold onto the car long enough this time and need to rebuild the engine and transmission yourself, that’ll for the most part mitigate its lack of records beforehand.

Bottom line, I wouldn’t worry about it. Just enjoy the car.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Since you once had the service records OP, don’t you recall the shops it was serviced at? All you’d need to do is call them to get another print out so long as they’re still in business. The problem with missing records isn’t necessarily the records themselves, but where the work was done at. If one had that information, obtaining duplicate copies is very possible.

On the flip side, if you hold onto the car long enough this time and need to rebuild the engine and transmission yourself, that’ll for the most part mitigate its lack of records beforehand.

Bottom line, I wouldn’t worry about it. Just enjoy the car.

Do you have a clue how many of these old shops weren’t on computers until the last few years? Anything over the legally required 7 y ars for IRS is a shot in the dark. Definitely not worth the time spent on the chase for an SC.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Do you have a clue how many of these old shops weren’t on computers until the last few years? Anything over the legally required 7 y ars for IRS is a shot in the dark. Definitely not worth the time spent on the chase for an SC.

That’s why I said don’t worry about.

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Definitely not worth the time spent on the chase for an SC.

Maybe I'm prejudiced, but I think it's worth the chase. Buyers love to see records. As to value, depending on how good it runs and drives, $30K is low.

[Matt Monson]

What’s it worth? Let’s see the paint and interior. Condition today matters more than a stack of paper from import.

[walt]

If I were interested in the car certainly would be disappointed in lack of records but not a deal breaker. Maybe offset by offering to pay 1/2 the PPI when you go to sell.

If you have a good relationship with the repair shop you might be able to recover some critical records. If not, I wouldn't bother trying to get them, most shops are just too busy to deal with it.

Really like the Zinnmetalic.

[nixtfy]

Well it’s a beauty. Classic tear drop shape. Good paint and interior. I installed some rs panels, black leather 80’s LS recaros. Dash is perfect. The records showed that the car was always car well loved.
I bought a new smile, wood shift knob, shine and drive. If someone wanted to be really picky they could change out the headliner, time has yellowed it

The SC gets more attention than my 88 targa sleeper.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

What’s it worth? Let’s see the paint and interior. Condition today matters more than a stack of paper from import.

[black_falcon]

Records definitely sweeten the deal but I wouldn't turn away a seemingly good car without them.

I'd recommend contacting the shops to reprint and at minimum type up a log of what was done/when to the best of your memory. I'd take a hand written maintenance journal over nothing.

[coldstart]

I have the same issue. My 72 911T came with a large folder of records; no major repairs just every maintenance receipt for the previous 10-12 years.

The first year I got the car I was driving down a 10-lane highway and I obviously forgot to fully latch the front trunk-- Whoosh! There goes all the records out onto the highway.

One of my biggest regrets with my car. I haven't bothered to really maintain records other than part purchases since I didn't feel like starting from scratch.

[Glenfield]

Learned a costly lesson that it’s the quality of the records and not the quantity. A seasoned buyer and someone that’s been around these cars a lot will know that. I bought a car that was fastidiously maintained. Stacks of paper that corroborated a very clean and stock presentation. There was no major engine work and that was the catch. I’ve since inherited the task of bringing that up to date. I bought provenance and clean stock appearance but seller did do a little better bc of the papers (which did include transmission rebuild mind you).

[nixtfy]

Well I can probably contact my mechanic for my last few services. Unfortunately,he had already given me all the double copies that were in his file from the owner before me. Actually my friend confessed; Most likely threw them out. So what did I end up with a no stories (LOL) 911sc with 172 k miles. I don’t think I will lose money, but gosh I wish I had the entire story since 1981.

[speednme1]

Records are a plus. It helps to sell the story but condition of the car should be the main story teller. I unfortunately could not get the records of the sympathetic restoration on my car. Sadly the owner of the shop where the work was done passed away before he could get me the information. Under my ownership I had a full ppi done with leak down and compression. I also had the car serviced at my shop and have kept all the receipts of everything I have done and bought. Needless to say, it hasn’t been cheap but my ocd sometimes gets the best of me.

[thamlin000]

Thorough records prove actual mileage on these cars. Otherwise, you rely on your gut, the odometer and the owner’s word.

[trader220]

About ten years ago I sold a file of records about two inches thick on eBay for $170 bucks. They were from two cars I no longer owned. A known Porsche reseller in Houston bought them from me to put in some of their cars they were trying to sell. They also bought two stamped service books to place in cars they sold. I sold them for $75 a piece. Now that was a while ago but that's what records were worth then

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by trader220

About ten years ago I sold a file of records about two inches thick on eBay for $170 bucks. They were from two cars I no longer owned. A known Porsche reseller in Houston bought them from me to put in some of their cars they were trying to sell. They also bought two stamped service books to place in cars they sold. I sold them for $75 a piece. Now that was a while ago but that's what records were worth then

I don’t get how those could help, service records show the vehicles info on it. What were they doing, cutting the top off and doctoring them up with the info on the cars they had for sale?