Recent BAT auctions tell it all regarding SCs vs g50s

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by jcvass

My shop had inspected the 82 SC some time ago . The cars condition and the mechanical issues were disclosed at that time and the owner was aware of the issues . It didnt appear in the auction listing that the studs had been addressed . Why the selling dealer didnt disclose I have no Idea . I understand as somebody mentioned that these are 40 year old cars and issues are expected 100% but non-disclosure to broken studs is a big issue . I have no idea if or why the buyer was not made aware . I did ask on the listing if the studs had been updated and the selling dealer mentioned that the comp/leak down #s were good .Buyers have to do their homework .

Maybe the owner didn't tell the dealer? Not every dealer has a mechanic or gives a car a real thorough PPI before listing it. Or if they are selling on consignment, they often go off of what the owner tells them.

[Jonny042]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

If you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of a million pelicans googling their VIN!

And checking their headstuds!!!

[creaturecat]

fwiw: the last batch of SC's were equipped with the Carrera engine cases.
a somewhat desirable upgrade.
dunno if it impacted upon the head stud issues ........ 1 less oil bung, if nothing else. : )

[Geronimo]

I hope SC's go up, maybe mine will be worth what "I" paid for it 4 years ago.... lol Not holding my breath.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by creaturecat

fwiw: the last batch of SC's were equipped with the Carrera engine cases.
a somewhat desirable upgrade.
dunno if it impacted upon the head stud issues ........ 1 less oil bung, if nothing else. : )

Dunno why it would. Studs break, not pull, on the aluminum engines.

[creaturecat]

i thought perhaps the metallurgy re: the studs - may have changed at the same time. not a case thing, per se.
know what i mean?

[creaturecat]

this SC looks like it sold in a day or 2.
probably left money on the table ........ looks to be nicer (front valence excluded) than the one that went for big bucks on bat. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/1095557-1983-911-sc.html

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by creaturecat

i thought perhaps the metallurgy re: the studs - may have changed at the same time. not a case thing, per se.
know what i mean?

Porsche did not get the head stud metallurgy correct (as far as their use of dilivar goes) until the 993TT - hard to believe, but true.

[GG Allin]

'88, 110K miles, $108K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-porsche-911-carrera-86/

[Kansas]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

'88, 110K miles, $108K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-porsche-911-carrera-86/

Insane $$$. I知 mystified. Is it the Bat factor, inflation, rise in used car prices in general? I知 a 911 air cooled fanatic, but I知 sorry, these cars are not worth 100k. They池e not rare, they池e slow by even late 90s standards, and stylistically not exactly jaw droppers. But I知 just a middle class guy, so maybe 100k to most is a drop in the bucket. I guess I知 thankful I got in the market when I did. Hell, I only paid $18.5 for a 964 back in 2011.

[sugarwood]

SC: One owner. Rare color.
Pro photos = wealthy seller = proper maintenance

88: Undesirable color

[Rick Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Kansas

Insane $$$. I知 mystified. Is it the Bat factor, inflation, rise in used car prices in general? I知 a 911 air cooled fanatic, but I知 sorry, these cars are not worth 100k. They池e not rare, they池e slow by even late 90s standards, and stylistically not exactly jaw droppers.

I think slow doesn't factor at all, in fact I'd say a tuned 3.2 gives more than enough HP to enjoy on a casual backroad drive. I never felt that my puny 2.7 non-S middie was underpowered even at just 150 HP.

Inflation and rise in used car prices, definitely, plus the styling actually has a lot of "cool factor" I think. There are still many potential buyers who grew up in the '80s for whom the G-body was *the* Porsche 911.

[Hnichols]

Originally Posted by Kansas

Insane $$$. I知 mystified. Is it the Bat factor, inflation, rise in used car prices in general? I知 a 911 air cooled fanatic, but I知 sorry, these cars are not worth 100k. They池e not rare, they池e slow by even late 90s standards, and stylistically not exactly jaw droppers. But I知 just a middle class guy, so maybe 100k to most is a drop in the bucket. I guess I知 thankful I got in the market when I did. Hell, I only paid $18.5 for a 964 back in 2011.

As the owner of an '88 myself, I guess I should be happy that a very similar car to mine sold for 90K more than I paid for mine in 2011 (18K). But I think it's an ominous development for real enthusiasts. When examples cost that much money a different mentality takes over, and a different group of people as well. You have investors, extremely rich guys, collectors, and an assortment of professionals -- dealers, flippers, and the like. The guy who bought this car was someone stupidly rich for whom the difference between 50K and 100K is basically insignificant, who is probably swayed more by presentation and color than by oil consumption, head studs, and looming clutch replacements. Saw a cool car and had to have it, even if he overpaid by some 60K.
By the way, I would never buy a car on BAT. Professional sellers get preferential treatment and I'm convinced that associates of those sellers and other interested parties artificially spike up the prices with early bids.

[dw1]

Originally Posted by Hnichols

As the owner of an '88 myself, I guess I should be happy that a very similar car to mine sold for 90K more than I paid for mine in 2011 (18K). But I think it's an ominous development for real enthusiasts. When examples cost that much money a different mentality takes over, and a different group of people as well. You have investors, extremely rich guys, collectors, and an assortment of professionals -- dealers, flippers, and the like. The guy who bought this car was someone stupidly rich for whom the difference between 50K and 100K is basically insignificant, who is probably swayed more by presentation and color than by oil consumption, head studs, and looming clutch replacements. Saw a cool car and had to have it, even if he overpaid by some 60K.
By the way, I would never buy a car on BAT. Professional sellers get preferential treatment and I'm convinced that associates of those sellers and other interested parties artificially spike up the prices with early bids.

I couldn't agree more.

Maybe that's why I don't see G-series cars on the road anymore. I used to see them reasonably often and I know they are around, but it appears it has become more about protecting investments than enjoying an good drive.

This also caught my eye because I paid about the same amount ($18k) to the original owner for my '87 3.2 14 years ago. Given that it is extremely clean with only bolt-on mods (and I saved all the original parts, even the cat.) and with under 75k miles, I don't want to think about what it is worth when I am driving it.

[Cobalt]

Vintage Acura Integras are selling for $80k why wouldn't these be worth as much or more? I have a friend with a white over red 89 with under 10k original miles he is the second owner. A true #1 car I can only imagine what it would bring.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by Kansas

Insane $$$. I’m mystified. Is it the Bat factor, inflation, rise in used car prices in general?

Why are BAT prices higher than ads for sale pinned on the corkboard the corner grocery store?

Auction effect is real. BAT is nothing new, the concept was common in the 1700s. If you're willing to pay $x, you're also willing to pay $x+1. Basic. Anyone expecting to find a bargain at an auction doesn't know what the word means.

Also, there are many many many people gladly willing to pay a 20% premium for delivery. Amazon knows this and has taken over the planet. Not complicated. Add in a quarantine, and expect BAT prices to spike 50%.

Also, wealthy people value time over money. Contrast this to deal seekers who take 2 years to find a car, and those who search for a decade. The wealthy click a button and get things rolling fast.
BAT is for the wealthy. Guys who want a bargain do not shop online, and only buy cars on CL.

[Cobalt]

Sadly many of the Bat & Pcarmarket cars are junk selling for too much while in the private sector really nice cars are selling for considerably more than auction cars. Although the condition and quality is superior in the private market from what I have seen..

[patina]

Originally Posted by Hnichols

By the way, I would never buy a car on BAT. Professional sellers get preferential treatment and I'm convinced that associates of those sellers and other interested parties artificially spike up the prices with early bids.

For what it's worth, BaT takes shill bidding very seriously and has cracked down big time on offenders. And of course regular sellers are going to get preferential treatment... why wouldn't they?