'96 993 Coupe 210K miles - Fair Market Value?

[Hoegenauer]

I am considering posting my 993 daily driver.
Black/black, everything works but cruise control. All factory.
Good condition (some small paint nicks, chips, etc). Wheels are pretty scuffed. Dash is cracked but otherwise a solid daily driver.

What is fair market?
Would you suggest consignment (quite a few high end consignment dealers in Dallas)

I probably wont even list it here because I know you guys..."Always looking for a deal." That's not what I had in mind...

Thanks for the input.

[Jay993]

slip-tronic or 6-speed?

[Hoegenauer]

Originally Posted by Jay993

slip-tronic or 6-speed?

6-speed

[juanbenae]

Any work done to it? If the motor or transmission are original anybody in the know will be aware of the huge dollars to be spent right around the corner.

Seems like a candidate for a racecar build.

Pictures might help too.

[911heaven]

Did you happen to mention the milage on this 993? I didn't notice. That would carry some weight either way...

[NYNick]

Nobody seems to want to take a stab at, most likely because the mileage is scary without maintenance and rebuild documentation, not to mention pictures.

We need more info. What's wrong with it? What does it need? What is great about it? How long have you had it?

The 993's are highly desirable as you know, but going by only what you've told us, we have to assume the worst. $30K-$45K. 210k 'no info' miles scares the bejesus out of me.

The work it needs and engine condition is everything to your pricing. Consignment dealers take the hassle out of selling, but take a piece of the pie as well. I'm not a fan of them.

[911heaven]

Sorry! I missed the 210K miles in the title. My bad. Having said that, it's anyone's game, I mean, like N1 say ... what is it like now? Good question @ 210K MILES!

[Hoegenauer]

Originally Posted by NYNick

Nobody seems to want to take a stab at, most likely because the mileage is scary without maintenance and rebuild documentation, not to mention pictures.

We need more info. What's wrong with it? What does it need? What is great about it? How long have you had it?

The 993's are highly desirable as you know, but going by only what you've told us, we have to assume the worst. $30K-$45K. 210k 'no info' miles scares the bejesus out of me.

The work it needs and engine condition is everything to your pricing. Consignment dealers take the hassle out of selling, but take a piece of the pie as well. I'm not a fan of them.

Yes, I will get photos. it is at the shop now as I recently got bumped in the back at a light and they replaced rear bumper and center deflector. Should be out this week.

Not much wrong. It is a reliable daily driver (or accross country driver for that matter). Yes mileage is high. When I purchased about 5 years ago I put a new clutch and top end refresh (plugs, coils, sensors, wires, etc). Nothing really since.
I have about a 30 minute commute daily and coach a high school soccer team whose games take me all over the city 30-40 times per year plus practices. It has let me down only twice that I remember (the under carriage shift linkage bar fell off and the DME relay fried). Otherwise I just drive it.

[Matt Monson]

What you mention isn’t a top end refresh. That’s a regular maintenance. A top end refresh, which a 210k should already have in its history is valve job, springs, etc. it’s rebuilding the heads. A new distributor cap is negligible in the value of the car.

Engine rebuilding and gearbox rebuilding are foremost. Then things like brakes, suspension, etc are next. Hard parts service, if you will. These are the details that matter.

[creaturecat]

50K with a 10K variance - either way.

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

What you mention isn’t a top end refresh. That’s a regular maintenance. A top end refresh, which a 210k should already have in its history is valve job, springs, etc. it’s rebuilding the heads. A new distributor cap is negligible in the value of the car.

would a new distributor rubber band make it refreshed?

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by creaturecat

50K with a 10K variance - either way.

With all due respect, you think it could bring $60K based on what we know?

[pmax]

Address any nits, better yet spiff it up, and list on BAT for top dollar.

It isn’t about a dollar or two over there.

[Hoegenauer]

Originally Posted by pmax

Address any nits, better yet spiff it up, and list on BAT for top dollar.

It isn’t about a dollar or two over there.

Thanks for the input. I know of BAT but never really gave it much thought.

For all, car gets back Tuesday. Will post pictures for further input.

[Hoegenauer]

Originally Posted by juanbenae

would a new distributor rubber band make it refreshed?

Yeah, I get it. Some people drive their cars (repair them when necessary) and others just talk about them and what they have paid others to do to them...Sarcasm isn't helpful (but I know it is commonplace on this forum).

The market has been crazy the past few years and I just wanted honest range so I don't leave cash on the table or turn down a reasonable offer.

[Matt Monson]

Ignore the peanut gallery, and answer the hard questions Nick and I are getting at, to get a hard answer. Otherwise Creaturecat's $20k range is about as close as you can get.

At your mileage, if you have no records of engine and gearbox rebuilds, you're at his $40k. If they've both been done and you have paper on it, you could see his $60k number. Some mix and match of service and you're somewhere in between. At 210k if neither the engine nor gearbox has been apart, the car is near the end of it's service life without $20-30K in real genuine maintenance shortly after new owner takes delivery. Juanbenae's useful comment is that the buyer of this may be someone looking to build a car ground up.

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Ignore the peanut gallery, and answer the hard questions Nick and I are getting at, to get a hard answer. Otherwise Creaturecat's $20k range is about as close as you can get.

At your mileage, if you have no records of engine and gearbox rebuilds, you're at his $40k. If they've both been done and you have paper on it, you could see his $60k number. Some mix and match of service and you're somewhere in between. At 210k if neither the engine nor gearbox has been apart, the car is near the end of it's service life without $20-30K in real genuine maintenance shortly after new owner takes delivery. Juanbenae's useful comment is that the buyer of this may be someone looking to build a car ground up.

And there you have it!

[Matt Monson]

Prime candidate for a Gunterwerks.

[pmax]

These cars live forever.

Maintenance, rebuild, horrors ...yawn that's par for the course and is nothing to a deep pocket on BAT who really wants a 993 exactly like this. Don't waste your money on drivetrain work.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by pmax

These cars live forever.

Maintenance, rebuild, horrors ...yawn that's par for the course and is nothing to a deep pocket on BAT who really wants a 993 exactly like this. Don't waste your money on drivetrain work.

Maybe, but all cars wear out eventually. Better wait and see those promised pics from OP. I agree with M2 regarding engine/gearbox work. Wheel bearings and stuff like that go next or wear out. There is a point where even BAT idiots will know and won't bid. Take inventory, see the pics, but the car may scrub up well depending on what it needs to make it a contender in the market. Still a great car as a driver according to OP. Still a 993 6 speed car and worth restoring IMHO.