Unbelievable...what a tool

konish · 06-27-2006, 08:37 PM

I know some (or most) may disagree with my comments, but this just pi$$es me off. I sold this car to the guy for $8000, and even at that price he tried to talk me down another grand to have it shipped. The fact that he wants to sell it for $10,000 doesn't bother me at all...why not make a buck if you can, but he used my exact ad from Pelican, AND MY PICTURES without permission. Ordinarily, I'd say "go for it", but without going into details about the sale I would have sold the car to someone else knowing what I know now.

Wonder why he didn't post here.

I know, I'm probably being an over-sensitive baby, but the whole nature of our original deal ending like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Personally, I think the guy is weasel

Oh yeah, the car had a CA salvage title due to an engine fire....since he used my exact ad for everything else, I just thought I'd help him with the rest of it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=290141

konish · 06-27-2006, 08:43 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=237017

Oh, and he isn't even including the front strut inserts (which I gave him) and the 28 row brass cooler (another thing I gave him with the car)

Man the more I think about this, the more it just torques me!

pwd72s · 06-28-2006, 11:21 AM

Strippers, flippers, and pimps abound. A friend of mine was shafted in pretty much the same way...sold a beautiful 1973 911 coupe hotrod. for $40K or so. The buyer then stripped of $8,000 worth of parts (sports seats, turbo brakes, wheels) then sold it for the same money he paid for it. Then this guy flipped it for $60K to some poor soul in a southern state. I often wondered if the end buyer would be so happy if he knew there was $22K worth of accident repair in the car's history. Be careful out there guys, lots of shark fins swimming about in the used Porsche market, and they are especially thick in the early (pre 1974) car market.

Zeke · 06-28-2006, 06:46 PM

The more I hear about where the Ragamuffin went and how it got there make me wonder a bit, too. I went to great pains to see that everyting worked, replaced the tach, fixed a bunch of little things. I included as much of the orginal tools as I had and put the orginal owner's manual in the glove box.

All of this after getting the deposit. But, when I sold it, I sold it. One shouldn't look back over one's shoulder. Anyone can always make some money on used goods purchased. It just takes more exposure and more time. Eventually, the buyer that has to have it will show up. Most of us don't have the time for that.

pwd72s · 06-29-2006, 08:02 AM

Good point Milt, and pragmatic of you. One should just walk away & not look back after a sale. Still, when a buyer pushes for the lowest possible price by saying he'll "love and cherish this car forever" (Apologies to "toad" in the movie American Graffiti) then strip & flips the car? It leaves a sour taste. For some of us, emotions get tied in with these machines. They shouldn't, but they do.

ChrisBennet · ChrisBennet's Garage

Buyer: I'll "love and cherish this car forever"
Seller: So you won't mind signing something stating you'll sell it to me for what I sold it to you for if you flip it in the next year then?"

mschnittker · 06-30-2006, 04:48 AM

I myself an trying to build a reputation as a very small scale reseller of pre-74 911's. I find and buy what I hope are good ones, clean them up, fix what needs fixing and add 10 to 20% to my cost (usually $1k to $2k). I describe the cars in excruciating detail, all the good and all the bad. I'm on the East Coast where good early cars are not as easy to find as on the West Coast. Call it flipping if you will but I take all the risk and am so forthcoming about the car's warts and faults my wife thinks I'm crazy (she doesn't encourage a lie, she just doesn't see the need to point out the unobvious). I say my integrity is what I'm selling. The market is zooming. Buyers are vulnerable. I offer a knowledgeable eye and total frankness. The sharks who are actually ripping people off by hiding serious faults or misrepresenting the cars are my mortal enemy!

pwd72s · 06-30-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by mschnittker
I myself an trying to build a reputation as a very small scale reseller of pre-74 911's. I find and buy what I hope are good ones, clean them up, fix what needs fixing and add 10 to 20% to my cost (usually $1k to $2k). I describe the cars in excruciating detail, all the good and all the bad. I'm on the East Coast where good early cars are not as easy to find as on the West Coast. Call it flipping if you will but I take all the risk and am so forthcoming about the car's warts and faults my wife thinks I'm crazy (she doesn't encourage a lie, she just doesn't see the need to point out the unobvious). I say my integrity is what I'm selling. The market is zooming. Buyers are vulnerable. I offer a knowledgeable eye and total frankness. The sharks who are actually ripping people off by hiding serious faults or misrepresenting the cars are my mortal enemy!

Nothing wrong with buying & selling itself... it's the con jobs going on that bother me. I recently sold a domestic car to a local guy who has a small used car lot. He knew what he was getting, and I knew he was going to sell the car. I had no problem with that because I didn't want to deal with tire kickers.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by mschnittker
I myself an trying to build a reputation as a very small scale reseller of pre-74 911's. I find and buy what I hope are good ones, clean them up, fix what needs fixing and add 10 to 20% to my cost (usually $1k to $2k). I describe the cars in excruciating detail, all the good and all the bad. I'm on the East Coast where good early cars are not as easy to find as on the West Coast. Call it flipping if you will but I take all the risk and am so forthcoming about the car's warts and faults my wife thinks I'm crazy (she doesn't encourage a lie, she just doesn't see the need to point out the unobvious). I say my integrity is what I'm selling. The market is zooming. Buyers are vulnerable. I offer a knowledgeable eye and total frankness. The sharks who are actually ripping people off by hiding serious faults or misrepresenting the cars are my mortal enemy!

I do the same thing on a very small scale. In no instance have I bought a car and resold it without adding value -- usually cosmetics. In most cases, I don't try to steal the car and I don't try to go for premium $$$ on the resale. If you want to be a member of the Porsche community for any length of time, you trade away some profit potential and you put your integrity above all else.

goldsc78258 · 06-30-2006, 03:43 PM

I agree 100% with the last 2 posts, I don't see anything wrong with buying and selling (honestly). Everybody has to make a living and buying and selling cars, be it Porsches, Ferraris etc.. happens to be what this people do. I see a problem when a buyer or seller tries to take an unfair advantage. I really don't see what the problem is the seller got what he wanted or thought his car was worth if this guy sells it for 10 times that is not his problem anymore. Maybe he should have asked for more (a lot more) Anyways this hits a little close to home because I have always been in the car bussiness and last time I checked it was still an honest way to make a living

just my .02

Cheers

aigel · aigel's Garage

I wanted to mention that at 10.5k (asking!), the guy isn't going to run a huge profit. Shipping, registration and a couple fixes will have him down to just even. If you offer a car at 10.5k, do you expect to get that? I would think that you allow for some wiggle room. If the car sits around for a while, he'll sell it for less, no doubt.

Yes, he took your pictures and write up, but come on, it's not like you were going to get the Pulizer Prize for any of that.

A car description does not carry any value. The risk that the salvage title will go unnoticed if it is in the carfax is next to nothing.

Never get upset about something which you can not possibly change. Take notice, so you will remember not to deal with the same individual and move on. The energy you spent fretting over this could have gone towards a new passion in life, be it another car or another fun activity overall!

Happy motoring!

George