Value Opinion on SWB

[spot944]

Curious for opinions on SWB 911 cars with the following characteristics.

Correct color repaint (complete disassembly) with some minor blemishes but very respectable.
Correct OEM trim except for headlights.
Excellent interior with little show of wear - clearly redone but with OEM NOS skins.
Sunroof in perfect order.
Later motor - - - 2.4 I think but not sure.
1967 correctly date coded steel wheels.
No rust tub, never crashed or repaired.
Glass is very good or better condition, no delamination.
Missing radio and fog lights.

[John Schaefer]

Don't see too many SWB 911's with a sunroof. Does it have the exterior gutter drains? Is it a normal, T, or S - and what is the color?

[blau911]

Assuming we are talking about a 911 normale, and it is truly rust free, I would guess its worth in the mid $20's with the wrong motor. Sounds like a fun car with a 2.4 motor - even a 2.4T. The 2.4T has about as much torque as a 2.0S motor, just not the balls upstairs.
Does it still have the original suspension (i.e. rear non ventilated discs and front non S calipers, Koni's etc)?
Is it running Webbers, and has a 5 speed (not 4 speed)? If so, definitely mid 20's or more. If it had the right motor, and some goodies on it like Fuchs wheels, Cibie hood lights, S brakes etc, it would easily be worth $40's...
Hell, 1966-67 911S's are going for $60k-110k right now. And the really clean SWB 912's are now selling in the 20's. A really clean 911 normale should trade somewhere between that.
Just one person's opinion. Would be interested in others as well.

[spot944]

Thanks for the initial thoughts, here is more info.

Yes, correct suspension and brake systems.
Non S car.
Not sure about 4 or 5 speed - good question...
Yes, Webbers.
Color is that ivory yellowish color. Repaint but correct color (Sand I think its called).
No special equipment other than noted.
Gutter drains - yep.
AZ car as I am told now living in the midwest.

[blau911]

I think you could get $40's for your car. For some reason 68 model year 911's are not as sought after as the 67 cars, due to little things like the side marker lights, elephant hide door panels, and non chrome bezel gauges, sugar scoop headlights instead of the sealed hellas.
The L model was essentially an S without the motor - kind of the most important thing. But your car should have the S suspension and brakes, as well as rear sway bar. It looks like you have SC high back seats in your car which isn't a plus. Your L car should also have come with a complete set of 5 1/2 Fuchs instead of the steel wheels. I still think your car is worth $40's. With a set of deep 6's, some original early sport seats and a set of Cibies maybe high $40's. But all of that stuff will cost you another $10k....

[blau911]

Originally Posted by r356t

You know, at first I thought you guys where uninformed. Now it's become obvious that you are like almost every other Porsche owner I have met in the past ten years. No wonder most other car enthusiasts hate Porsche owners.

I bought my first Porsche in 1968. Back then it was almost like joining a fraternity of nothing but cool people with the added benefit of having something the rest of the world ingnored and equated with the eccentric. I guess for the most part we were eccentric. There was definatly a differance between us and say a Corvette owner.

What the f..k happened? This site, most Porsche meets etc. etc. are made up of guys with nothing better to do than sit around and nag like old ladies. " Edith, did you see what that 944 was wearing". Or like this guy above, spouting info that any third grader could find. On top of that, most of you guys could never think about (for that matter, have the tallent) driving the cars you have anywhere close to their limits. I'm being kind here for sure.

OK r356,
So lets show our cards. Here is my 3rd grade information. Below is a pic of my 67 911 normale sunroof coupe which I have been offered more than $50,000 by more than one person with cash in hand. ONe guz offered $54000. NO exaggeration. My 67 911 is rallye ready and babied most of the time, and driven at redline on occasion. Not raced. I wouldnt bother owning the car and tying the money if I didnt drive it hard occassionally. AS you can see for yourself, it also has a lot of the expensive goodies on it that bring the worth of the car up as mentioned in my last post.

Dont kid yourself into believing that this board is filled by people with no knowledge of their cars and no desire to drive them hard.

I could care less if you keep your car or sell it. But if you dont believe your car is worth what I estimated, then put it up on EBay for a week and see what it brings. Put the reserve at $50k. If it sells there you will be happy, right? If it doesnt, you will know what the general market thinks it worth.

You should be a little more respectful of the people who use this site. You would be truly surprised by what people have, what they know, and how hard some of us drive our cars on this board.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by r356t

On top of that, most of you guys could never think about (for that matter, have the tallent) driving the cars you have anywhere close to their limits. I'm being kind here for sure.

I am curious why are you on this board if this is how you feel?

[Macroni]

Wow....just feel the love.....

[blau911]

Originally Posted by r356t

If your interested, I know where there are some Kenworth mirrors that would look good with those lights. And by the way Mr. Expert, steel wheels were offered as original equipment right up to the mid seventies. Mine came with the car. The rest of your dribble is not worth the brain cells.

I asked you to show your cards, and you just did.
Peace out...

[Fidalgo911S]

r356t, you need to learn some manners. This thread is about another person's question with regards to a car he is considering.

Go to the off-topic forum and tell everybody there you can't stand them.

[kilodawg]

r356t

Don't know your age or your IQ but I do know that nobody here jumped your case and that if any nagging has been done it's been from you. blau911 knows his Porsche's and is a straight shooter. I have met him before and he has helped me in the past with getting my '73 up to snuff. So in this case at least you are going after the wrong guy....

[spot944]

Guys, play nice. While I appreciate the diversity of your perspectives I was thinking I would get more info as to the realistic market value of such a beastie as the one I am considering.

[Soterik]

Originally Posted by r356t

If your interested, I know where there are some Kenworth mirrors that would look good with those lights. And by the way Mr. Expert, steel wheels were offered as original equipment right up to the mid seventies. Mine came with the car. The rest of your dribble is not worth the brain cells.

Looks like you're stuck at 2nd grade.... all of us 3rd graders are well aware of the FACT that the US 68 911L came factory standard with the 5.5 Fuchs. I've got my father's dealer brochures from that period....and I helped clean the cars when they landed at the port. Do you have a pic of the car when you took delivery of the car when it was new??.... oh, you aren't the first owner....

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[Soterik]

"You guys are dreaming. I have one of the best original 911L's. Black plate, no rust (really) perfect mechanicals, have all original parts and history from Vasek Polek to present."

Ummm, when you get to 3rd grade, you'll also find out that it's spelled Polak, not Polek....

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[r356t]

I rest my case.

[Macroni]

It is Saturday morning I am just resting!

[EarlyPorsche]

I mean to be honest I have recieved multiple mid-teens offers on my 912 with a 66 911 engine installed. Most like it because it has the basic feel of the 912 with power of a 2.0. Of course my engine is like brand new and bored out to 2.2 and has an electromotive ignition so I am sure that helps the high offers. But if a beautiful, 3 owner 66 912 coverted to 911 engine can get 16-17 then of course a perfect 911 is going to get 40-60.

[techweenie]

The people are out there who will pay $50K for a '68 S. But they aren't fools. They will demand every scrap of evidence of provenance for that price and the car will be thoroughly inspected.

Estimating what someone might pay for a car based on a couple paragraphs and a photo is a fool's game.

[EarlyPorsche]

I disagree, I personally do not care anything about evidence of anything when I buy a car. Don't care about service records or anything. I do my own PPI, check everything and then buy it or leave it. I would pay $50,000 on the spot, unplanned if I liked a 1967S. I think its split two ways: the cool guys who will just buy and the "dorks" that care about the paperwork and such. To each his own though.

[scylla6]

early porsche, I just showed your response to my wife. She said did you write that?