What is this 1999 Carrera S worth?

[markmalin]

I'm curious...there's a 99 Carrera S with 68k miles on it, manual trans but a "Salvage title" due to an accident. The owner says it was hit in the rear, but no engine or structural damage, and it has been repaired.

Anyhow, the guy is asking 20k for it. I have an 85 Carrera, so I"m not real familiar with the water cooled cars. I looked this car up on KBB and it's saying the "Fair" private party value is like 27k. Can this be correct??

[mobius911]

Can't offer you any specific opinion on the car's value, but I have found that Kelley always seems inflated to the real world. I find Edmunds much closer to reality. Kelley is run by the NADA so it's not surprising.

[KNS]

You could probably find a 1999 Carrera (there was no "S" that I'm aware of) with a few more miles and without a salvage title for around 20K.

[jb 911]

maybe the "s" stands for salvage ????

Jokes asides I can not comment on the value either. But I have owned a salvage vehicle before and they can be great cars - the one I bought had zero issues and I stole it, but there is definately a stigma attached to a salvaged car, especially when you go to sell it. Personally I would pass and look for a clean title car even if I got less or older of a car. (which is most likely the case.) Especially with a P car. You see some of these for sale for a long time.

[daiberl]

I paid $16k for mine not too long ago, no salvage title, 1999 C2, manual, and 69tsd Mls. With salvage title I would not pay more than $15k.

[RRico]

No "S" in 1999.
"S" came out with the 2005 997.

[markmalin]

Hey, guys. What an idiot I am! I'm looking at 3 cars and what I meant to ask about was a 1997 Carrera S (993) with a salvage title, not a 1999. D'oh!

So this 993 S has 68k miles and a salvage title - I guess 20k seems like a lot, even for a 993, doesn't it?

I realize the last of the air cooled cars is starting to bring more money...but when I can find 1999 and 2000 996's with a few more miles and clean titles for 17,000 - 24,000...maybe that's a better way to go?

Mark (having a senior moment)

Originally Posted by RRico

No "S" in 1999.
"S" came out with the 2005 997.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by markmalin

Hey, guys. What an idiot I am! I'm looking at 3 cars and what I meant to ask about was a 1997 Carrera S (993) with a salvage title, not a 1999. D'oh!

So this 993 S has 68k miles and a salvage title - I guess 20k seems like a lot, even for a 993, doesn't it?

I realize the last of the air cooled cars is starting to bring more money...but when I can find 1999 and 2000 996's with a few more miles and clean titles for 17,000 - 24,000...maybe that's a better way to go?

Mark (having a senior moment)

Actually, it is an whole different ball game being a 993, C2 or C4 "S"?
A 993 C?S at $20K is not a bad deal, even if the title is dirty, but the chassis checked to make sure it is true.. Also, any documentation on the rebuild & the history of the 993??? Hell, if I had the extra $20K (and didn't have so many irons in the fire) I'd be interested in it, if you chose not to get it, and he is open to trades I still am Any pix?

[markmalin]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Actually, it is an whole different ball game being a 993, C2 or C4 "S"?
A 993 C?S at $20K is not a bad deal, even if the title is dirty, but the chassis checked to make sure it is true.. Also, any documentation on the rebuild & the history of the 993??? Hell, if I had the extra $20K (and didn't have so many irons in the fire) I'd be interested in it, if you chose not to get it, and he is open to trades I still am Any pix?

Man... I wondered about that. It's an S, but I don't remember if it's a 2 or 4. The guy got it in trade as partial payment for a yacht he sold. He's only had it a few months, but gave me the number of the original owner. I'll drive it this weekend and see what it's like.

I'm seriously considering letting go of my 85 Carrera and my 2001 3-series so I can afford it...but need to drive this AND a 996 so I can compare them. (have never driven either).

[markmalin]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Any pix?

no...I can take some when I see it, but the ones he sent are terrible, out of focus, bad lighting....

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by markmalin

Man... I wondered about that. It's an S, but I don't remember if it's a 2 or 4. The guy got it in trade as partial payment for a yacht he sold. He's only had it a few months, but gave me the number of the original owner. I'll drive it this weekend and see what it's like.

I'm seriously considering letting go of my 85 Carrera and my 2001 3-series so I can afford it...but need to drive this AND a 996 so I can compare them. (have never driven either).

993s are great cars, and if it is a C4S, it is great for all weather, the 996, well, it isn't the same as the old cars, no real soul.. Can't wait to see the pix of the 993.
You 911 will hold value (and still be fun) better than the 3 series, the 996, well, we don't even need to go there.. Where is the 993 located??

[markmalin]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

993s are great cars, and if it is a C4S, it is great for all weather, the 996, well, it isn't the same as the old cars, no real soul.. Can't wait to see the pix of the 993.
You 911 will hold value (and still be fun) better than the 3 series, the 996, well, we don't even need to go there.. Where is the 993 located??

Yah...there in lies the rub, as they say. My BMW is a rock...low mileage and super clean. The 911 is already worth more than I paid for it. I hate to lose that, too. It's a tough decision. I'm in southern AZ (as is that 993) - moved here from WI last year. Now that I don't really need two cars (one for winter) I keep thinking I can combine the two into one nicer/newer P-car. So that's my dilemma.

My Carrera really could become a daily driver here, but it's so nice I don't want to subject it to the sun...and the A/C was removed by the PO. I consider put it back in but it seems moot down here...it's just so hot.

Anyhow - I may or may not do this. I realize the 993 is a better car than the 996, but if I can get a 2000 993 that I don't mind daily driving, has real-working A/C, maybe it's worth it. Then I can drive a P-car all the time. I'll miss the vintage 911, but that would be the tradeoff (and I know I will KICK myself for letting go of my 3-series!)

I keep secretly wishing I'd find someone here would would take both mine in trade for their newer one. Then it would be a no-brainer

[WPOZZZ]

I'd stick with that 993 eventhough it has a salvage title. The 996 can be a good deal, but can cost you a ton if the motor needs work. At the very least, do the LN Engineering IMS retrofit if you do get one.

[markmalin]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

I'd stick with that 993 eventhough it has a salvage title. The 996 can be a good deal, but can cost you a ton if the motor needs work. At the very least, do the LN Engineering IMS retrofit if you do get one.

Were the 996's any more unreliable than other years? Just wondering. I know about the IMS issues - I do my own work, so I could do that pretty easily. Granted, I think a 993 would be more easy to work on (because I'm familiar with my 85 air-cooled car)....but I really wonder how much more difficult a 996 would be?

[pirahna]

Originally Posted by markmalin

I'm curious...there's a 99 Carrera S with 68k miles on it, manual trans but a "Salvage title" due to an accident. The owner says it was hit in the rear, but no engine or structural damage, and it has been repaired.

Anyhow, the guy is asking 20k for it. I have an 85 Carrera, so I"m not real familiar with the water cooled cars. I looked this car up on KBB and it's saying the "Fair" private party value is like 27k. Can this be correct??

Worth less than $10k. You can find nice 99's without the salvage title for less than $16k.

[jb 911]

Pirahna, no skipping posts!!!

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by markmalin

Were the 996's any more unreliable than other years? Just wondering. I know about the IMS issues - I do my own work, so I could do that pretty easily. Granted, I think a 993 would be more easy to work on (because I'm familiar with my 85 air-cooled car)....but I really wonder how much more difficult a 996 would be?

The earlier engines (99-01) were more susceptible to failures. However, the motor could break with low mileage, or high mileage. If it is high mileage, the cost of a rebuilt motor is more than the car is worth. A friends shop has a 99 cab that looks good, but the motor is bad. It it were low mileage it would be a toss up. With 200k, you have to ask yourself, why dump that kind of money in a car? If you want a 996, get an 02+ model, but there are still failures. Even the early 997s had some failures.

[rkeele]

My friend owns a Porsche repair shop they have a nice looking red 996 with 100,000 miles he can't get rid of it for $10,000 no salvage, he tells me the market is not there ie worthless! and they are more difficult because the water cars have more parts to deal with and replace, the 993 is the way to go.

[FPB111]

The 996 would be a much better everyday car. Air that works, a little more space and incredible performance for the money. Plus you won't feel as bad after 200,000miles when you finally use it up and sell it for $5k.

[wisky]

Any word on that salvage title widebody car for $20k? If you don't want it, I would be interested in making an offer on it, and even pay you a small "thank you" fee.