opinions on this 74 carrera

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I don't think either warrants the premium they bring. I do think they are a bit more then a trim package but without the mfi I would just rather build what I want out if a normal for less money.

I passed on a 76 C3 racecar a few years back and regret it today.

As "normals" go up in price this won't continue to be much of an option. I think a lot of people are attracted to the rarity of them as much or more than the appearance of them. They do look great though

[Matt Monson]

It's totally the rarity, just like with the RSA.

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

There's a very large contingency of people who prefer the whale tail to the duck tail or no tail at all. I haven't really perceived a price difference between 74 and 75

Not really about preference. The whale tails are just more common. Ducktails are a 2-year-only option. I have several Carreras and follow the market closely. My numbers show 74's selling at approximately 30% higher and much more quickly.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

Not really about preference. The whale tails are just more common. Ducktails are a 2-year-only option. I have several Carreras and follow the market closely. My numbers show 74's selling at approximately 30% higher and much more quickly.

Ducktails available on the '73 RS and the '74 Carreras and the whale tail was available on the 75-77 Carreras and turbos, although most '77 Carreras had the all urethane spoiler by '77. It would be interesting to see what the total production numbers were of both. I bet it's close. I cannot debate on selling more quickly or sales price, I can just speculate based on asking price.

[cellison]

Thanks for the input on the car in question. I do prefer the 74 vs 75 due to the duck. yes it may be a "package car" but it is unique. As I continue to ponder my next more, again looking to move from 2 cars to 1 and keep it an open top, considered the 3 varients are "equal' i.e miles,color condition being the same, in the order my preference:

1.) 76-77 3.0 Targa would be ideal, but are hard to find. I think the market is around 100-125 for very nice car if you can find one.

2.) 84 - 89 491 TL Targas are easier to find but still scare. A good one would be 60-70 depending if it were a 915 or G50.. I lean towards a g50 vs 915 but it slims down the opportunities. a spoiler delete 491 would be of higher interest. a data point is a nice 85 TL cab in GR with semi low miles sold for about 60 recently on BAT.

3.) 74 - 74 Carrera targas are available but the prices seem to be near the top of a 491 TL targa and the low range of a 3.0 targa.

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Ducktails available on the '73 RS and the '74 Carreras and the whale tail was available on the 75-77 Carreras and turbos.

But whale tails with only slight variations continued to appear on various 911's through 1989. Don't kid yourself that the average 911 buyer is familiar with the differences between, for example, an early whale tail and an SC whale tail. I see "original" cars all the time with the wrong whale tail.

Don't have the numbers in front of me but, off the top of my head, something like 2,200 ducktail cars produced in 73/74. Remember that in 1974 the ducktail was declared illegal in Germany so no German cars were ducktail equipped. In addition, a significant number of U.S. cars were ordered ducktail-delete. I own one of these cars.

Early whale tail production from 75 through 77 (Carrera/Turbo) was about 6,500 cars.

I need to update some numbers but over the 3-year period from 2014-2016, 1974 Carreras in my data sold in an average of 17 days with an unsold rate of 14%. 1975 cars sold in 66 days with an unsold rate of 38%. Rough numbers to be sure, and an admittedly unscientific analysis, but still interesting. Well, interesting to me. I assume others have much more rewarding hobbies than I do.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

But whale tails with only slight variations continued to appear on various 911's through 1989. Don't kid yourself that the average 911 buyer is familiar with the differences between, for example, an early whale tail and an SC whale tail. I see "original" cars all the time with the wrong whale tail.

Don't have the numbers in front of me but, off the top of my head, something like 2,200 ducktail cars produced in 73/74. Remember that in 1974 the ducktail was declared illegal in Germany so no German cars were ducktail equipped. In addition, a significant number of U.S. cars were ordered ducktail-delete. I own one of these cars.

Early whale tail production from 75 through 77 (Carrera/Turbo) was about 6,500 cars.

I need to update some numbers but over the 3-year period from 2014-2016, 1974 Carreras in my data sold in an average of 17 days with an unsold rate of 14%. 1975 cars sold in 66 days with an unsold rate of 38%. Rough numbers to be sure, and an admittedly unscientific analysis, but still interesting. Well, interesting to me. I assume others have much more rewarding hobbies than I do.

Without knowing exactly how many were ordered spoiler delete in either duck tail and whale tail it's very hard to know exactly. I do know that almost every single Carrera 3.0 with the exception of ones imade for the UK were delivered without their spoiler and it was up to the dealers to sell and install a spoiler. I have an all original '76 C3 that was delivered to its original owner in Japan with the black polyurethane spoiler. Total 73-74 carrera production i count 3547 and total 75-77 Carrera and Turbo production I count 5759. A non scientific guess is somewhere around 2600-2800 ducktails and 4000 whale tails. Love your sales data by the way.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by cellison

Thanks for the input on the car in question. I do prefer the 74 vs 75 due to the duck. yes it may be a "package car" but it is unique. As I continue to ponder my next more, again looking to move from 2 cars to 1 and keep it an open top, considered the 3 varients are "equal' i.e miles,color condition being the same, in the order my preference:

1.) 76-77 3.0 Targa would be ideal, but are hard to find. I think the market is around 100-125 for very nice car if you can find one.

2.) 84 - 89 491 TL Targas are easier to find but still scare. A good one would be 60-70 depending if it were a 915 or G50.. I lean towards a g50 vs 915 but it slims down the opportunities. a spoiler delete 491 would be of higher interest. a data point is a nice 85 TL cab in GR with semi low miles sold for about 60 recently on BAT.

3.) 74 - 74 Carrera targas are available but the prices seem to be near the top of a 491 TL targa and the low range of a 3.0 targa.

If you look very carefully you could find a deal on a C3 Targa. One just sold at auction forget which auction for $65-75k range. White one. A very original ice green metallic was almost mine for $50k but you are right there is another ice green metallic, restored for something like $175k. The sub $100k deals will be no longer in less than two years so better find one NOW!!

[speedster911]

74 -75 Carreras , the coupes sell and the Targas tend to sit. Many Carreras ( US model) listed in the $75 -$100 range have been for sale for 6+ months.

This car has passenger mirror- most were added after the fact and very rare if original but there were a few - listed on COA?.

Dash recovered, front seats recovered and done poorly.

Yes should have seat belts for back seats. These were never deleted from the factory.

Not original radio, chin spoiler not original for 74, they started in 75.

OEM wheels for 74/ 75 Carrera = 7's and 8's - 15"

Couldn't read COA- will list what tires, shocks etc came with car

I have a 75 carrera coupe and currently hunting for a 74 Carrera coupe - if anyone has one for sale please PM me

[nathanbs]

https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0817-300168/1974-porsche-911-carrera-targa/

[pmax]

The middie US Carrera is another one of those brilliantly lame ideas from Porsche's marketing department.

Don't fall for the group think on this and definitely don't pay a huge premium for them.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by pmax

The middie US Carrera is another one of those brilliantly lame ideas from Porsche's marketing department.

Don't fall for the group think on this and definitely don't pay a huge premium for them.

Were they a lot more money to start with? I think they were a great idea by Porsche as they look great and I'm assuming sold without any problem. The limited edition aspect is always a critical box to check when qualifying whether a car is a wise candidate as a collector vehicle

[Matt Monson]

Held against the backdrop of a 73 Carrera it just doesn't compare. If I was shopping in this price range I'd hold out for a 76-77 C3. I can think of ten other 911s I would spend $75k on before a US 74 Carrera.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Were they a lot more money to start with? I think they were a great idea by Porsche as they look great and I'm assuming sold without any problem. The limited edition aspect is always a critical box to check when qualifying whether a car is a wise candidate as a collector vehicle

Don't know how much more they were, but I'm sure Porsche had no problems selling all they made.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Held against the backdrop of a 73 Carrera it just doesn't compare. If I was shopping in this price range I'd hold out for a 76-77 C3. I can think of ten other 911s I would spend $75k on before a US 74 Carrera.

I agree that's why I have 5 however don't count on them being under $100 for much longer. Nice examples are already stretching towards $200k.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by pmax

Don't know how much more they were, but I'm sure Porsche had no problems selling all they made.

I guess maybe you meant lame from a performance perspective

[nathanbs]

https://www.facebook.com/911carrera3/posts/1591128074270595

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by maninblack

Not really about preference. The whale tails are just more common. Ducktails are a 2-year-only option. I have several Carreras and follow the market closely. My numbers show 74's selling at approximately 30% higher and much more quickly.

As someone that prefers the look of the duck tail and had a desire to get a 74 Carrera. I completely agree with this. Finding a car in a decent color is difficult and those cars sell fairly quick. The ugly colors like the pinkish, Sidney Wicks, car that was listed here a year ago sit longer.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

I agree that's why I have 5 however don't count on them being under $100 for much longer. Nice examples are already stretching towards $200k.

It's ok. Winter is coming. PML gave me a market tip to wait.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

It's ok. Winter is coming. PML gave me a market tip to wait.

They cant and wont go lower than the one I posted just above. PML?