Opinions on value and would you list my car on BAT

[nixtfy]

I have a non original 1988 Targa Grand Prix White with Black. Transplanted row 3.3L turbo motor and a G50 LSD. I love that it is a sleeper. I refer to it as more of a Jekyll and Hyde car. Perfect Sunday cruiser and GT car on the highway.

2 years ago I purchased it based upon my mechanics opinion (Eisenbud’s) who had actually serviced it the past 2 owners. I guess it needed a valve job in 2009 around 120,xxx miles and the owner opted to swap it with a turbo motor out of Slant nose 930. Roughly 14,000 miles ago.
The Good
I have the last 2 owners records since 1995 with 45,000 miles.
High quality repaint in 2013
Turbo motor is less than 3% across all cylinders.
Mechanically and cosmetically great.
Always a Colorado car so no rust and it shows no signs of ever being hit.

The last owner since 2007 had approximately 25k in receipts so the car has few if any needs.

My thoughts are since it’s non-original BAT might be the wrong audience. This is definitely a car you have to drive to appreciate.
I am considering selling it in the Spring.

[crb07]

What other parts are not original?
What would the car sell for with a 3.2?
Just thinking that maybe you put it back to original set up and sell the 3.3 motor. May not be worth it as 3.2's have gotten pricey.

[Raceboy]

Have seen plenty of non-original cars on BaT..

[nixtfy]

The wing of course is non-original. Although with a K27 turbo the intercooler has a function. There is a front spoiler. The stereo is not original. The front seats were recovered with a red accent, but I have found some original black seats.

I think a nice original targa with 133,000 miles is probably worth 41,000-43,000.

I honestly never considered sourcing a 3.2 motor. The only turbo motors for sale are 20-25 k. I understand the value of all its parts are worth more than the car itself.
This one just checked all the right boxes for me or I don’t think I would have bought another G body. The car hangs with my cousins 2009 C4s convertible in 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

[jferrante]

I think 40s is a bit much here is one with half the miles and it got to 36
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-porsche-911-carrera-targa-2/

[Matt Monson]

That car will break $40k on BaT.

Since it’s local I would be happy to look at it and give 2 cents if someone reading this is inquiring about the carand wanting to buy it before it goes to auction I would have the time between Christmas and New Years. I’d just want some gas money. I’m well over an hour from the seller.

[1979-930]

I'd take Matt up on that offer. ^^^
He knows the market better than most others do.

[Mike80911]

My only problem with BAT is that they set the reserve and naturally they set it a little so the car has a better chance of selling and them getting their commission But if you are OK with their reserve than it is most likely the best place to sell it.

[specialtyoneinc]

Photos?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

I'd take Matt up on that offer. ^^^
He knows the market better than most others do.

Forum arsekissing. I wouldn’t say most. I have an average knowledge of the market.

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Forum arsekissing. I wouldn’t say most. I have an average knowledge of the market.

Yea, You suck at 78/79 930 values.


Sent from my iPhone while Driving

[matt930s]

Major buttsnorkling.

[Unobtanium-inc]

My only problem with BAT is the running peanut gallery of dudes who no matter the car they just shred it or anyone bidding on it. It's the same group that seem to have nothing better to do but say either the car is a POS or that anyone willing to pay more than $5 for it is an absolute idiot! It really gets old.

---Adam

[ab1752]

I watch BAT to the point of distraction and have paid close attention around what the gallery has to say. First it is imperative to disclose all details up front or they will feast upon any omission as if the owner is attempting to sell a stolen vehicle, in full mob mentality. Beyond that, there is a super strong Porsche base and I do not see how anyone can push back against a car such as yours. Have a look there now at the 2 BMW hot rod examples in the 135i with the V10 M5 and the 740i with the S62, as long as the work is done well and is represented honestly I think any car will do well on BAT, yours included based on what you have noted above.

I spoke with BAT around listing my 240Z before we commenced rebuilding the house when I was facing a lack of storage for the cars of a year...they really do promote that you accept a low reserve which put me off so I made other arrangements, which proved to myself that I was not ready to sell it. If I ever do decide to sell it I am going to put it up at no reserve and let the market make it happen.

Best of luck with the sale of your car, wherever you decide to sell it.

[zztot]

I'm with Adam.... Too many " experts" and they are not really buyers. Can't see where opinions provide a service.
That's why I list on Pelican.

[nixtfy]

Hey thanks guys for all the opinions. Matt I definitely would appreciate your input and am around after Christmas. We could probably meet somewhere in the middle. You seem to know the market.

I go back and forth on BAT. I have a friend who regularly lists on BAT. He cares a lot about the cars he sells and maybe too much as it shows when you look at them. He does at times get defensive because of the peanut gallery. Fortunately he loves the hobby as BAT only works out for him 50% of the time.

I have quite a bit to consider. My buddy who purchased my Row 1981 sc is seriously considering the car. Fortunately he would always give me first right of a refusal as it is definitely one of a kind.

[nixtfy]

Originally Posted by ab1752

I watch BAT to the point of distraction and have paid close attention around what the gallery has to say. First it is imperative to disclose all details up front or they will feast upon any omission as if the owner is attempting to sell a stolen vehicle, in full mob mentality. Beyond that, there is a super strong Porsche base and I do not see how anyone can push back against a car such as yours. Have a look there now at the 2 BMW hot rod examples in the 135i with the V10 M5 and the 740i with the S62, as long as the work is done well and is represented honestly I think any car will do well on BAT, yours included based on what you have noted above.

I spoke with BAT around listing my 240Z before we commenced rebuilding the house when I was facing a lack of storage for the cars of a year...they really do promote that you accept a low reserve which put me off so I made other arrangements, which proved to myself that I was not ready to sell it. If I ever do decide to sell it I am going to put it up at no reserve and let the market make it happen.

Best of luck with the sale of your car, wherever you decide to sell it.

These are my same observations about BAT. How often does it work out for the buyer and seller?

Although I think the BMW audience is less concerned about Originality.

I think more Porsche buyers see the cars as investments and stick to originality. I used to be in the same camp, but most other true investments have a better ROI.

I saw this one as 1/2 the price of 1989 G50 turbo with most of the same performance. If I broke even selling the car I had owned a near super car for a fraction of the price.
The G50 is more driveable as it allows the car to always be in the power-band. I also have a euro pipe so it does not suffer the dreaded turbo lag everyone reads/talks about. The car pulls strongly from 2500 RPM’s.

[ab1752]

I hear what you're saying about Porsche owners and originality but I would suggest the keen interest in modded German hotrods in Audi and BMW is also present in Porsches. Also watch any of the 2002tii or 3.0CS auctions or the like (E24 M6 or E28 M5) shows how detail oriented, and in some cases, obsessive those folks can be as well. Some of the 250 / 280SL auctions are quite detailed too.

The 3.0CS that went across BAT last week located in Montreal was something special...the detailed restoration and documentation combined with both the owner and restorer's participation drove the cost to $125K or thereabouts, and it was a 5 speed conversion car. The seller's participation is absolutely the key to BAT auctions so be prepared to make yourself available and take literally hundreds of pics with supporting documentation for your submission.

That 3.0 was very hard to pass by, I've wanted something like that forever and am not overly interested in another restoration project...I was in the game and figured $90k was the right price but when it cruised easily past $100K I walked.

[nixtfy]

Great point. After owning 2 original G body cars this one really sparked my interest being something I never really knew existed as all 930’s were outside of my price range.

Originally Posted by ab1752

I hear what you're saying about Porsche owners and originality but I would suggest the keen interest in modded German hotrods in Audi and BMW is also present in Porsches. Also watch any of the 2002tii or 3.0CS auctions or the like (E24 M6 or E28 M5) shows how detail oriented, and in some cases, obsessive those folks can be as well. Some of the 250 / 280SL auctions are quite detailed too.

The 3.0CS that went across BAT last week located in Montreal was something special...the detailed restoration and documentation combined with both the owner and restorer's participation drove the cost to $125K or thereabouts, and it was a 5 speed conversion car. The seller's participation is absolutely the key to BAT auctions so be prepared to make yourself available and take literally hundreds of pics with supporting documentation for your submission.

That 3.0 was very hard to pass by, I've wanted something like that forever and am not overly interested in another restoration project...I was in the game and figured $90k was the right price but when it cruised easily past $100K I walked.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

I'd take Matt up . . . He knows . . . better than most others do.

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Originally Posted by nixtfy

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The G50 is more driveable as it allows the car to always be in the power-band. I also have a euro pipe so it does not suffer the dreaded turbo lag everyone reads/talks about. The car pulls strongly from 2500 RPM’s.

The "more drieveable" bit is a matter of preference, as with enough of a bump in power (just a bit more - not talking a 600hp monster build required), 1st gear in the g50 becomes useless, and then you are back to a 4 speed that simply has narrower gear spacing and requires more shifting than the 930 box. That same bump in power makes a 930 box pretty much a dream to use (with regard to RPM/gear spacing).


And not trying to be argumentative, but what do you mean by "Euro pipe"? They all had the same muffler, and the only difference aft of the turbocharger was that the later 1980's USA Turbos had a catalytic converter between the turbine outlet and the muffler. The muffler was not the real reason for the legendary turbo lag, however; by far the primary cause was the horrible, 3LDZ, stock turbocharger - replace that with something better (which is pretty much anything) and you get much better throttle response (earlier and smoother boost delivery). The original mufflers were a big negative, though, as they are very heavy and restrictive enough to choke power output.