Gonna go look at 912 roller...needs some advice!!!

[ScottArizona]

Hey guys, so the air cooled bug has bit hard...just picked up an sc in December that came with a 3.2/915 combo installed, as well as the original ROW 3.0/915. Think I want to refresh the 3.0 and put it back in the SC and put the 3.2 into a 912 and make it a fun track car. I'm still new to all this and would love some feedback on the following candidate that is local to me. Plan to go take a look today. I realize there is a lot missing, and that there will be a lot of work, but I view this as a long term project to learn on and do most of the work myself, and hunt for used parts to keep costs low (which is half the fun).

what do you guys think? Anything I should look for other than the obvious (floor rust, rocker rust, etc...)

» 1967 Porsche 912 Project

Thanks for the feedback and help!!!!

[Peabo]

Seems a bit pricy for what you get. It's an early car so that's something. Be interested to see what others suggest.

[Steam Driver]

I think you can buy something a lot more complete for a lot less money! My suggestion is to move on and shop elsewhere. The price is totally out of line.

[Rodsrsr]

67 is a short wheelbase car which is not a good thing for a track car. The 915 wont be a direct drop in either nor will the 3.2. Lots of work just to get the powerplant in. Oil lines, oil tank, weld in engine mount supports, suspension/brake upgrades, ect. Its also missing the fenders, front/rear bumpers and all of the silver trim. No doubt these parts ended up on someones backdate project and will be expensive to replace. Personally I would look for a LWB roller with a more complete body and a better price point. This is more of a candidate for a total restoration, but not a good fit for what your looking for IMO. Agreed on the price being way off.

[cmcfaul]

I bet if you remove the outer rocker covers the inners are bad.

Chris

[ScottArizona]

You guys are awesome. Although my heart was wanting to say yes, after reading these posts my brain is saying no. I did see the car, and it actually looks straight and "relatively rust free" (there were some soft spots on the floor and rear seat bottoms and pedal box, but rockers looked good and body was straight). Stuff like missing fenders, bumpers, decklid and interior don't bother me in the least as all that would come off anyway, as the plan would be all fiberglass fenders, bumpers, decklid and minimalist interior bits (i.e., rs panels, app biz carpets, race buckets, etc...)

Key for me is the input that I'd be better off starting out with a long wheel base car. I didn't realize it was that much extra work if you start off with a 67. This is so tempting though as its local and has been in Arizona for decades. If i were to pull the trigger, what do you think a fair price would be?

[dwelle]

"912’s have already hit the $100k mark"

tells you what you need to know about the seller.

unless you can weld (well) and have the ability to convert for the 911 drive train, this car at that price is nuts. if you can't weld, there is likely $5-10k in rust repair waiting if you have a shop handle it. then there is the SWB-->LWB thing if you go that route. it all adds up quickly.

a 911 costs the same to restore as a 912, and is worth a lot more when done. you can find LWB rollers in decent shape for the price of this car. i bought my '73T roller with all the RSR body work already done for less than the ask on this car just last year.

i don't think it's worth any amount to someone who can't do all the work themselves, it just isn't going to pencil...

[Tremelune]

So like...if you find a good candidate, be wary of giving too much info away...If it's under market value, one of us will buy it out from under you.

[Trackrash]

This is not a candidate for a track car or hot rod. It may be worth something close to the money, IF it is original and truly rust free, to someone wanting to do a restoration.

I imagine, if you are patient, you may find a stalled hot-rod project that would be more appropriate.

Having to piece together a car from scratch would cost a fortune.

[Edoyle]

There are plenty of project cars out there; it's the nice complete ones that hold value and sell fast at the moment.

The average-priced project car can be had at any time and most buyers are now aware that any 911 is a ~$50k 911 (start with $10k project car, put $40 into it and so forth..) and rather start with something more complete or solid.

And when it comes to 912's, it appears as though every last one has been pulled from the fields and offered sale right now. No shortage of rusty 912's for sale atm.

[proporsche]

i agree with all the above ..where are those days when i sold my 1966 912 with a 5 speed to Holland for $5000 all original paint and no rust...gone for ever...the best of it was the black plates SRJ666.If you get it;-)?
Invest your money into a 911

Ivan

[ScottArizona]

Thanks guys. I'm in no rush...think I'll just patiently wait for the right 911-based half-finished project to come along!

[911trackcar]

Having experienced both the 911 and 912, don’t count out the 912 just yet. Yes they are hot and appreciating. I think it really does depend on what you want to do with the car long term. If it’s just investment then yes 911 will be worth more. But for enjoyment to keep long term then you can go either way.


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[ScottArizona]

At the risk of tipping off another buyer...this one did pop up recently. based on my research this seems overpriced for a 912/911 non-matching frankenstien that needs a bunch of exterior and cosmetic work, but at least everything is there. Thoughts on a fair price for a 912 "rsr" like this one?

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/1969-porsche-912-coupe/6557632176.html

[ScottArizona]

Oh yeah, and thanks for the assistance guys. Slippery slope is getting steeper by the day (just bought an engine yoke and I've never dived deeper than valve covers on any care I have ever owned!

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by ScottArizona

At the risk of tipping off another buyer...this one did pop up recently. based on my research this seems overpriced for a 912/911 non-matching frankenstien that needs a bunch of exterior and cosmetic work, but at least everything is there. Thoughts on a fair price for a 912 "rsr" like this one?

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/1969-porsche-912-coupe/6557632176.html

Yea, no. I have no idea what a fair price would be for this, the huge decal on the back is at least worth $15.

I wouldn't pay any more than half of asking.

[Trackrash]

Originally Posted by ScottArizona

At the risk of tipping off another buyer...this one did pop up recently. based on my research this seems overpriced for a 912/911 non-matching frankenstien that needs a bunch of exterior and cosmetic work, but at least everything is there. Thoughts on a fair price for a 912 "rsr" like this one?

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/1969-porsche-912-coupe/6557632176.html

Obviously over priced. With a 2,2 of unknown condition? 5 speed, really? What kind of flairs? Fiberglass? Needs a paint job? Could be a money pit, unless everything is fresh. Doesn't sound like it, though.

You would put a lot of money in this one to get it up to driver standards. Then it would be a poser with a stock, high mileage, 2,2 T motor.

I would go look at it. Use it as a bench mark. Bring your "How to by a 911" book and make a list of everything this car needs. Drive it and see what you think. Ask to see all, including motor, receipts.

The more cars you look at the better informed you will be.

[Tremelune]

Please don't waste sellers' time if you don't intend to buy the car...even if it's overpriced.

[ScottArizona]

Originally Posted by Tremelune

Please don't waste sellers' time if you don't intend to buy the car...even if it's overpriced.

Um...ok...thanks for the unsolicited admonition. The whole point of the post was to solicit honest advice and feedback regarding whether this was even in the ballpark, precisely to determine if an in-person look would be merited (and, it should go without saying, to determine whether I should "waste" someone's time (mine included) in going to take a look). As I mentioned I'm super new to all of this and someone at some point had obviously put some work into this car and its conversion into its current form, and a good bit of what he/she did falls into the "I'd probably do that too" category, thus my inquiry (plus, its like within 10 minutes of my house). There are not many recent 912 converted cars for sale in the classified section so getting to an approximate market value for something like this is not the easiest thing for an admitted newbie like myself.

Sorry if something in my post, new found enthusiasm, or general lack of market knowldge offended you....

[pmax]

Pretty big leap from a nice SC to doing something like this with an old 912.

Can you weld well ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NrelJWYnnLA