RS A value sunroof vs sunroof delete

[jturbo3.6]

I am always wondering what you guys think about RS america sunroof car vs sunroof delete car value.
for me a RS america with sunroof is not really a special 964 anymore, they need to not have sunroof, of course from factory.
value wise, how much you will think the difference is, same condition car.
thanks in advance, I know experts are here.


Jim

[SalParadise]

I believe that the sunroof was a 'sunroof add' not a 'sunroof delete.' The sunroof was actually Porsche option #650 which was almost 2 grand.

My take on RSAs that have a sunroof, AC, etc, etc are just expensive 964s. I never got on the bandwagon that these RSAs with all the added crap were anything but a marketing scheme. Why would you order a RSA with all the stuff anyway?

But people did - a lot of people did. And they still thought they had something cool and special. The damn thing came stock with electric windows.

I believe the market really does not care if it has a sunroof, if it has AC, or a radio, or a spare. I believe the market feels the same of any RSA - lower miles the better. Not autocrossed or tracked the better.

The intent was to make a 964 connection to the original RS. The idea was to make a lightweight version of the Carrera 2 - but all they did was make a Carrera 2. Heck, you could order a Carrera 2 with less options and it would be the same.

If you are looking for a collectible 964 that's great. And if you are looking at a RSA I would buy a low-mileage example.

[onboost]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

I believe that the sunroof was a 'sunroof add' not a 'sunroof delete.' The sunroof was actually Porsche option #650 which was almost 2 grand.

Thank you Sal! There is no such thing as 'sunroof delete.' That's just a BS phrase that the "new-comers" created because they think it sounds cool and makes the car special.

When in fact, as you've stated, the sunroof was/has always been an option, and typically seen on US market cars! Dealers had a tendency to order cars for "stock" with a s/r because they were actually easier to sell as more buyers wanted the option.

[specialtyoneinc]

Think most people will pay a little extra for a slick top.

[onboost]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Think most people will pay a little extra for a slick top.

Yes, they will pay a little extra now..
However, when new, many of these cars were discounted because the dealer couldn't move them off the lot as most buyers wanted the optional roof! Especially for what a Porsche cost when new.

Typically, those that didn't have a roof were cars that were received by the dealer as part of their allocation . And sure, there were those that didn't care, there were those where the sunroof caused a headroom issue too, but most dealers ordered the option as did most buyers that were "specing" their car.

[pu911]

Generally speaking RSA's w/o S/R option are worth more $$. The RSA was a de-contented C2 to provide a more "sporting purposes" 964 for US since Porsche did not make the 964 RS to available for US import. Adding more options beyond a limited slip diff really defeats the intended purpose of car IMHO.

[jturbo3.6]

I agree it should call "sunroof add on option."

but for now, many people are used to call it "sunroof delete", and new-comers like myself will become not new comers anymore in a few years... just kidding.
what you guys thinking on dollars amount sunroof add on cars vs no sunroof add on cars?

Originally Posted by onboost

Thank you Sal! There is no such thing as 'sunroof delete.' That's just a BS phrase that the "new-comers" created because they think it sounds cool and makes the car special.

When in fact, as you've stated, the sunroof was/has always been an option, and typically seen on US market cars! Dealers had a tendency to order cars for "stock" with a s/r because they were actually easier to sell as more buyers wanted the option.

[cvlcporsche]

I have owned 7 RSA's over the years, have sold probably a dozen of them and worked at Porsche dealer when these were new. IMO I have always thought the most desirable spec was a Limited Slip (LSD) only was the most desirable spec in terms of value as that is the most "pure" form of the car (disclaimer: my RSA is a LSD only, so probably a bias!). There were 5 options offered: Sunroof, AC, Radio, LSD and Metallic Paint. I agree with many posters that having a fully optioned RSA makes little sense as it gets eerily close to a regular C2.

As it relates to the use of the term "sunroof delete" IMO it should only be used in the case of a car where you actually had to "delete" the sunroof. So for example on US delivered 964 coupes the sunroof was STANDARD equipment (this was not the case in other ROW markets) so if you wanted a C2 or C4 coupe it had to be ordered without a sunroof, hence a sunroof delete. On the RSA the sunroof was always an option, so the correct term for an RSA, ROW 964 coupe, etc that doesn't have a sunroof is "Non-sunroof Coupe". Ultimately the nomenclature doesn't matter, the market currently loves G-body and newer (356 and early 911 still are worth MORE with a sunroof due to relative rarity) cars that do NOT have a sunroof.

[specialtyoneinc]

I like everything standard (manual rack, cloth buckets, door pulls etc...) about the RSA. With the right mods, I feel like there the sweet spot in the Porsche line up. Unfortunately the values have sky rocketed over the past 5 years, sunroof or not. The RS ROW are just crazy money these days.

Big fan of the PorSport RSA build.

1993 Carrera RS America

[ficke]

Originally Posted by cvlcporsche

I have owned 7 RSA's over the years, have sold probably a dozen of them and worked at Porsche dealer when these were new. IMO I have always thought the most desirable spec was a Limited Slip (LSD) only was the most desirable spec in terms of value as that is the most "pure" form of the car (disclaimer: my RSA is a LSD only, so probably a bias!). There were 5 options offered: Sunroof, AC, Radio, LSD and Metallic Paint. I agree with many posters that having a fully optioned RSA makes little sense as it gets eerily close to a regular C2.

As it relates to the use of the term "sunroof delete" IMO it should only be used in the case of a car where you actually had to "delete" the sunroof. So for example on US delivered 964 coupes the sunroof was STANDARD equipment (this was not the case in other ROW markets) so if you wanted a C2 or C4 coupe it had to be ordered without a sunroof, hence a sunroof delete. On the RSA the sunroof was always an option, so the correct term for an RSA, ROW 964 coupe, etc that doesn't have a sunroof is "Non-sunroof Coupe". Ultimately the nomenclature doesn't matter, the market currently loves G-body and newer (356 and early 911 still are worth MORE with a sunroof due to relative rarity) cars that do NOT have a sunroof.

Great information, thanks.

[onboost]

Originally Posted by cvlcporsche

I have owned 7 RSA's over the years, have sold probably a dozen of them and worked at Porsche dealer when these were new. IMO I have always thought the most desirable spec was a Limited Slip (LSD) only was the most desirable spec in terms of value as that is the most "pure" form of the car (disclaimer: my RSA is a LSD only, so probably a bias!). There were 5 options offered: Sunroof, AC, Radio, LSD and Metallic Paint. I agree with many posters that having a fully optioned RSA makes little sense as it gets eerily close to a regular C2.

As it relates to the use of the term "sunroof delete" IMO it should only be used in the case of a car where you actually had to "delete" the sunroof. So for example on US delivered 964 coupes the sunroof was STANDARD equipment (this was not the case in other ROW markets) so if you wanted a C2 or C4 coupe it had to be ordered without a sunroof, hence a sunroof delete. On the RSA the sunroof was always an option, so the correct term for an RSA, ROW 964 coupe, etc that doesn't have a sunroof is "Non-sunroof Coupe". Ultimately the nomenclature doesn't matter, the market currently loves G-body and newer (356 and early 911 still are worth MORE with a sunroof due to relative rarity) cars that do NOT have a sunroof.

Ahhh yes, pretty much spot on.. Funny too, as I also worked at Porsche dealer when these were new and spent a lot of time prior to that killing time with the techs and parts guys from another dealer and the guys at Electrodyne if anyone remembers them. What a time!

The RSA when introduced was that car where you paid more for less. As you've stated, "there were 5 options offered: Sunroof, AC, Radio, LSD and Metallic Paint." I remember at least two going out the door with the only option being LSD, one of these cars ended up as a track car.

Ahhh yes, pretty much spot on.. Funny too, as I also worked at Porsche dealer when these were new and spent a lot of time prior to that killing time with the techs and parts guys from another dealer and the guys at Electrodyne if anyone remembers them. What a time!

And I too agree with the others.. why have a fully optioned RSA? Ok, other than the serial number? Guess I should have kept mine too...

All that being said, I think in this case the non-S/R car may hold the greater value.. as I know during my time at the dealership I saw more of them ordered with A/C and sunroof that without.