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B&B Headers - got a god d@mn hole!
Well, tonight I decided to pull my headers to investigate what I've suspected to be an exhaust leak at number three! It was hard to diagnose because I have B&B headers WITH heat and I could never see any real leakage occurring at the flange or around the exhaust port. It turns out the freaking pipe from number three has a hole about 1/4" in diameter (maybe slightly smaller) right as the pipe enters the heater box!!!!!!! So it's sort of hidden! And I never really used the heat this year...so no fumes pouring into the car. And from what I can tell, number six is about to burn a hole in the same spot! It looks like the weld used to hold the heater box to the pipe is possibly the culprit!
Now for the million dollar question: what to do? How to handle this? The previous owner had these installed. The receipt I found from B&B is from 4/5/2005. The expressed warranty at the bottom of the page says two years!!!!! This is BS! Is this a known defect? Should I even bother with B&B for any recourse? Keep in mind this could have been pretty dangerous if I had been using the heat! This is my daily driver and now I'm down! After this experience, I'm tempted to get my next set WITHOUT heat so I can keep an eye on the entire length of pipe! What say the dealers and experts on this site?  
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05-09-2007, 05:13 PM
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I would gather your information together and give B & B a call and see how it plays out. Give them a chance to respond to you first. |
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05-09-2007, 05:38 PM
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i had similiar crack/hole problem with mine and after the 2 year period you are on your own; they won't do anything and i can smell exhaust from mine when the heat is on.
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05-09-2007, 05:45 PM
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Run heater-boxless headers and have a shroud made that surrounds your muffler. Protomotive does this and they also make a oil cooler heat exchanger for the Carrera based turbo's too
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05-09-2007, 05:49 PM
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Well if B&B won't help me (and I doubt they will)....it looks like I'll be a contender for the El Cheapo OBX headers...
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Arent B&B"s T304 anyway? OBX's are 321, so you get a more resilient and durable header material anyway. Just double check the welds in/around collector to make sure it's smooth and clean before installing on your car. I think they'd be OK to be honest. I run GSF's and they perform great.
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merv, are gsf 321 stainless?
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I had another look at my B&Bs last night, and I see several more spots that look as if they'd be holes/cracks in the very near future.
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05-10-2007, 02:26 AM
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for a cheap alternative you could send em to us we will fix em for you.. not for free but allot cheaper then buying new
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oh also you guys should really look at the ssi(930) setup. allot of really high end shops use them just not as visable as what you see on the net.. I use them and love em. they are made of 321 and for about 1600 plus an hour or 2 of weld time you have something that will last longer then the car.. I already know some of you guys will balk at this but like I said you would be suprised on the usage out there and how many really love the setup. There is a pic on my website of the set up on my car. it is a bit different for you 930 guys but really close. www.mkexhaust.com under projects.. these are specific for turbo applications
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Thanks for the info, Ben!
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no problem
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B&B just fixed mine sounds like the same old story if you goto rennlist
and look in 964 turbo you will see my pics. Well it cost my $200. for them to fix. Well back on the car and they sound like they are still leaking.. |
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I know stuff happens...it's a performance car that I drive every day, I know the exhaust in these things gets hella hot, but this B&B kit was over $3,200 and lasted just barely two years!!!! That's sad to me! I would have expected more! Silly me...
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Got to pay if you wanna play, I suppose.
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There is nothing more fun than a weld chunk coming off and slamming your turbo. BTDT!
New headers....
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Dammit sandman....
 I marked those OBX headers this morning after reading your thread and you had already snatched em tonight when I got home..... Keep us posted on quality....
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At this point I'm only looking for a few bucks to offset the cost of the new iron. I'll aslo throw in the the high quality, high temp SCEET orange tubing for the heater boxes.
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