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peppy 08-24-2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KTL (Post 6932954)
As long as they're the right size for the shank of the bolt, copper is fine. Just need something relatively soft to crush and seal the oil from weeping out.

Thanks Kevin, that's what I wanted to hear.

peppy 08-26-2012 06:56 AM

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Now to figure out how to time the cams.:D

Flat6pac 08-26-2012 09:25 AM

Get your chain boxes on and measure your depth. After you get your depth set, assemble everything, rails, tensioners, idlers
Back the flywheel so Z1 is at 10 oclock, now you can turn both the cams to have the keyway up. Bring Z1 back to center case. Pin both cams, keyway up.
Z block #1 intake..have you set your rockers?
Bruce

peppy 08-26-2012 09:51 AM

Bruce, by set your rockers do you mean the lash? If so than no, I just installed them.

How much would the depth change? I am reusing all the original parts.

Flat6pac 08-26-2012 11:17 AM

The depth wont necessarly change but I like to know the math is right.
Adjusting the rockers, just do the intake on 1 and 4 befory you put the dial guage on.
Bruce

peppy 08-26-2012 11:24 AM

Thanks, Bruce.

peppy 08-27-2012 02:01 PM

Glad I measured...evidently 5 years ago when I bagged and labeled everything I did not know the left from right side of the engine.

peppy 08-27-2012 03:10 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1346108905.jpg

The left side is hard to measure accurately...my straight edge is too wide for my calipers.

peppy 08-30-2012 07:36 AM

Ok, I got everything measured and within spec.

I found it was easier to convert to mm and do the math than using the specs in inches. I think it was the rounding with the calculator that was screwing me up.

peppy 09-02-2012 05:36 PM

Ok, another question. When you preload a dial gauge do I use the red numbers when it is turning backwards?

Flat6pac 09-02-2012 06:46 PM

With a preload, youre numbers will be going toward 0. So if you preload 5mm and you set the cams at 1.25 you will have 3.75 preload left. You just need enough preload of the guage so you dont run out of measurment.
Easiest thing to do is set the Z bar, load the dialguage and lock it in somewhere in the middle of the travel. Set the outer dial to zero on the point. 1.25 is a full sweep of the pointer, plus
1/4 sweep.
My rule of thumb is, each peg adjustment is approximately .15mm on the dial. Sweep past the 1.25, pull the pin and reset it about 1.40. Take back tension on the chain and you should settle in about 1.25.
You really have to play with it until you get the numbers in.
Bruce

peppy 09-03-2012 03:17 AM

Thanks again Bruce.

peppy 09-03-2012 07:29 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1346686045.jpg

Here is a picture of 1.26 mm overlap with 10mm preload.

Flat6pac 09-03-2012 09:11 AM

Be sure you load the back pressure on your chain. The other side is way more fun getting a match.
Bruce

peppy 09-03-2012 12:29 PM

Thanks for all the help. A few pics of the timing of the cams again. I also got the tensioners and the distributor installed.
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Flat6pac 09-03-2012 02:43 PM

Its all over but the shouting....
Bruce

peppy 09-15-2012 06:38 AM

long block done
 
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headers installed
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peppy 09-21-2012 12:36 PM

Sent the injectors to witchhunter to clean them up and ordered a rebuild alternator locally.

I was trial fitting the exhaust today and found rat poison pellets in my muffler. I spent a couple of hours flushing it out.

Lapkritis 09-21-2012 01:53 PM

Dedication. Nice work - looking forward to the start-up.

peppy 09-22-2012 04:29 PM

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Gettinng closer

peppy 09-23-2012 07:48 AM

New fan housing and a rebuilt alternator, everything fit fine.
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I forgot to put the hard line on *&^%%$%
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peppy 09-23-2012 07:52 AM

This is the clutch that came out of the car. I thought I had the rubber centered clutch, but I guess someone already changed that. How thick should the clutch be to be reused?
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Flat6pac 09-23-2012 11:24 AM

The thicknesses should be in the manual but you have to the grommets for wear.
Bruce

Lapkritis 09-23-2012 07:47 PM

Manual calls to replace if aged over 25k miles while you're in there. Measurement is done from the rivet heads; spec is at least 1/32" or .8MM otherwise they say it's not worth putting the disc back in. If the material is breaking up or black where contaminated with oil then it should also be replaced. If you're in spec then clean it up with paper towels and brake parts cleaner to get fingerprints/oils off the disc, flywheel and pressure plate.

peppy 09-24-2012 03:48 PM

Thanks Bruce and Andrew.

peppy 09-26-2012 10:24 AM

Do I just press the needle bearings out to insert the bronze bushings with the universal update kit?

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Lapkritis 09-26-2012 10:31 AM

Looks like that's the case. Post pics of the new bushings and we can determine what needs to be done. A little blocking and a vice would probably pop those out if we determine that is what needs to be done.

Flat6pac 09-26-2012 10:49 AM

The needle bearings come out and the brass get pressed in. In the directions it tells which side the brass shoulder goes on.
Bruce

peppy 09-26-2012 11:06 AM

Thanks, I ordered the kit today. Maybe I'll wait until it gets here before I start.

peppy 10-01-2012 11:58 AM

exhaust is on
 
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Exhaust is on. I should have taken better pictures of the intake and wiring on top of the engine....

peppy 10-08-2012 12:26 PM

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Transmission is giving me a bit of trouble...I will be searching tonight
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sound pad was pretty easy
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this looks correct to me
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Are there any easy tips for mating the engine and transmission?

Flat6pac 10-08-2012 01:53 PM

Does your throw out bearing fit on the guide tube in the trans...I got hung up there a few years ago.
Bruce

peppy 10-08-2012 02:01 PM

Bruce I haven't checked that, there are no new parts here. I was thinking it would just slide back together. I did move the crankshaft a little, but my arms were really starting to burn holding that transmission.

I will give it another try in a few days.

Flat6pac 10-08-2012 05:17 PM

I was thinking you were installing a new clutch package..brain short...
Bruce

dhagood 10-09-2012 07:37 PM

when you bolted the pressure plate to the flywheel, did you align the clutch disk with the appropriate tool? if you didn't there is pretty much no way you can install the transmission.

when i put my gearbox back on, i had the engine resting on a dolly i built that was about 18 inches off the ground. i put the gearbox on my atv jack, moved the jack into position and then raised the jack to roughly the right height. i then wiggled and lifted the gearbox as i slid the jack/gearbox forward.

note that the jack was at right angles to the crankshaft in order to maximize the stability of the gearbox on the atv jack. when i slid the jack/gearbox combination up against the engine, the atv jack wheels did not rotate.

peppy 10-10-2012 06:53 AM

Yes, I used the clutch tool. I will try again tomorrow.


Does a hose connect to the round piece with the two male connectors on it. The one with the green. I know there is one above the the Y.

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Thanks

911 tweaks 10-10-2012 08:15 AM

yes it does...I believe a hose runs under the air box to the rear of the car & the hose plugs into the front face of the mas/air box...look in the bently manual for the pic...I can envision it but I am explaining it poorly here...all of this info is if you are running a 3.2 in stk configuration...

dhagood 10-10-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peppy (Post 7022992)
Yes, I used the clutch tool. I will try again tomorrow.

i was pretty sure that you had, but everybody forgets things/makes mistakes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by peppy (Post 7022992)
Does a hose connect to the round piece with the two male connectors on it. The one with the green. I know there is one above the the Y.

the part number for that thermovalve in your picture is 930 207 231 00. if you search for that part number on the pelican web site, it will provide an in situ diagram of the valve and the hose connections to it.

peppy 10-11-2012 04:41 PM

Ok, transmission is on the engine and the new updated shaft is installed.


I am still having a problem with the vacuum lines that go to the piece with two connectors. I have looked at the Bentley and the Porsche parts diagram and still don't see where the hoses go. I have one hose that is on the car that I labeled throttle body, I think that hose goes below the Y connector that goes to the fuel pressure regulators.

I really don't remember another hose on there. How would the car run with no hose connected to that?

sjf911 10-11-2012 06:32 PM

The twin nipple appliance is called the thermo valve and regulates something called the air valve off of the oil tank. There should be a small V or Y shaped hose that connects one of the thermo valve nipples to the remaining throttle body nipple. The second port on the thermo valve is then connected by vacuum hose to the air valve.


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