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Amstaff 11-15-2014 12:58 PM

Rod caps
 
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Gordo2 11-15-2014 07:59 PM

Stretch Gauge
 
Here's a review I did using my Summit Racing stretch gauge - similar to the one in your picture.

Has a few tips I figured out to help get accurate readings (mine requires 2 hands to manage as well)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/789996-summit-racing-rod-bolt-stretch-gauge-review.html

Meanwhile, I'm sure you will be fine torquing to spec.

Gordo

Amstaff 11-16-2014 07:13 AM

Rod bolt stretch
 
Ok, so I read the link above and decided that I needed a mulligan. Loosened them all up this morning and worked on the stretch gauge to make it fit as snugly as possible. checked the rod bolt length, zeroed out the gauge and torqued to the spec of 50 lb then checked the stretch. Surprisingly most fell right in range. Three were at .09 and one at .08 so it is a good thing that I checked them. The ones that were a bit loose I put a long breaker bar on (for more feel) and tightened them ever so lightly until I hit the mark. It doesn't take much stretch a bolt one thousandths.

To make the gauge read more accurately I used two hands to hold it on the bolt and pushed the back side of the dial indicator so that it made solid contact with the bolt.

So, all done and I feel a lot better about it.

Amstaff 11-22-2014 07:03 AM

Prep for case Assembly
 
So it looks like today is the day for assembling the case. Raining out and in the low 70's today so sealants should take a bit longer to set up which is a plus for my first time rebuilding a Porsche engine.

Trying to be as prepared as possible for a seamless (pun intended) engine assembly.

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Amstaff 11-22-2014 10:28 AM

Sealing Case
 
Here we go!

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Amstaff 11-22-2014 10:30 AM

Case sealing
 
Onward!

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Amstaff 11-22-2014 10:35 AM

Ta Da!
 
Short block Done!

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Amstaff 11-23-2014 04:47 AM

Just a few things need to be done to finish. Heads need to be rebuilt along with cam towers and I will need to find the bolt to hold the 964 cams to the chain sprocket since it is different than the SC cam. I also need Head studs and gasket set.

This will happen after Christmas so until then... Merry Christmas!

911 tweaks 11-23-2014 04:58 AM

great progress there tom...make sure to put any & all parts needed on your xmas list...
I hope u can get some other work done btwn now & xmas as I enjoy seeing your progress and great works...thx, bob

Amstaff 11-23-2014 06:33 AM

Thanks Bob

For what it is worth:

I didn't use any of those special tools to hold the chain or rods. If you use assembly lube the rods will stand up on their own if you work at balancing them and the chain I rolled up and once the case was together I fished it out with a coat hanger that I made in advance with a small hook on the end.

vascott01 11-24-2014 05:06 AM

I am sooooo Jealous right now... Congrats!!...I should be able to finish mine in the coming weeks..

Amstaff 11-28-2014 10:25 AM

Odds and ends
 
Lots of odds and ends to wrap up. Starting with the oil screen and housing. Used 574 on all of the gaskets.

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Mitch1 11-28-2014 04:32 PM

Tom, I wouldn't use any sealant on sump plate seals. That plate will come off from time to time to clean screen. The two rubber seals work fine dry.

Amstaff 11-29-2014 04:13 AM

Just a tad late for that advice. I will remove it again after break in so I will reseal it dry after that.

Thanks for the advise though.

Mitch1 11-29-2014 06:17 AM

Sorry. It's no big deal though. Just clean-up. Not like you resealed your case 3 times.

Amstaff 11-29-2014 02:03 PM

I have to tell you, I was scared to death that I was going to forget something like a pump seal. You really have to read up and triple check everything to make sure that nothing is missed prior to buttoning up.

I still have the urge to open it back up to make sure I didn't miss anything although I am positive that I didn't.

Amstaff 11-30-2014 09:32 AM

Odds and ends
 
Finished up some odds and ends

Finished up the sump plate and plug

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Amstaff 11-30-2014 09:36 AM

Chain ramps
 
Then finished up chain ramps.

Note that the ramp should barely go past the end of the bolt. There is a small tab near the end of the ramp on only one of the bolt holes. Check it out before you actually put one on so you know how far to push it on. You can push it on past the clip and if you do the groves on the ramps will not line up with the chain causing them to wear out quickly.

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Amstaff 11-30-2014 09:37 AM

Also, the chain ramps long end should point toward the gear.

Amstaff 11-30-2014 09:38 AM

Short block done
 
So, that's all there is until head studs show up. Then I can put the Pistons and cylinders on.

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Amstaff 11-30-2014 09:41 AM

Bagged
 
So, I went out and purchased one of those expensive engine bags to protect it and keep it clean.

I think Hefty makes them 😉

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iiXii 11-30-2014 09:59 AM

Nice tread and good job !!!

Amstaff 01-23-2015 12:04 PM

Back at it
 
Well, finally getting back to it. Head studs came in yesterday and a new Wrightwood head gasket set is on order. I heard too much bad stuff about other gaskets and want to do all I can to avoid leaks.

These head studs are a work of art!

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Jcslocum 01-24-2015 04:29 AM

Great thread!!!!!!!!!

Keep up the good work and the updates coming. Love the high value engine bag :-)

Amstaff 01-24-2015 06:05 AM

ARP Head Studs
 
Well, today the head studs went in. Look at a lot of links on installing them and decided to use a dab of locktite on them. Make sure that you don't overdo it, just a dab near the bottom of the threads will distribute it evenly.



Because of the thread chaser I made (see earlier post) the studs went right in by hand right to the bottom of the hole. Once the Locktite was on I screwed them in all the way to the bottom and then backed them out about 1/4 turn so that they weren't sitting on the bottom of the hole. Once in I used my caliper to make sure they were all fairly even which they were. Just a small turn her and there.

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Gasket set should be here Monday so look for piston and cylinder install next week.

Still need to send the heads and cam tower for rebuilding.

Amstaff 01-24-2015 06:08 AM

Locktite
 
For some reason the picture didn't post

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Amstaff 01-24-2015 02:25 PM

Important!
 
One important thing that I should have posted before locktiting the stud in.

TRIAL FIT THE CYLINDERS AND HEADS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDS PROTRUDE ENOUGH TO GET WASHERS AND NUTS ON!



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jm993rs 01-25-2015 11:28 PM

Nice job !!

Thanks for sharing........

dzlndan 01-26-2015 04:35 AM

Great thread!
 
Thanks for this great thread. I'm now a subscriber. Just picked up my new project a week or so ago. Yup, broken head studs. This thread will be an invaluable tool for my future endeavors! Keep up the great posts and pics!

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SergiuM 01-26-2015 06:52 AM

Subbed. Awesome thread!

RD911T 01-27-2015 08:42 AM

Great read and reference for those of us considering an engine rebuild someday! Thanks!

Amstaff 01-28-2015 03:16 PM

Heads and cam towers are boxed and ready for pickup by FedEx tomorrow. I sent them to Ollies. Called and spoke to them today, they said box them all up, put a note in the box explaining what I want done along with contact information and they would call once they get everything and can unpack and examine what I have.

Gasket set should be here tomorrow so I am inching closer to finishing!

Amstaff 02-22-2015 03:45 PM

Cylinder holders
 
Saw cylinder holder tools available but when you only use it once why buy expensive tools? I bought a 2 foot piece of 1/2" PVC and made my own. Cut it with my pipe cutting tool to 1 1/2" and it fit perfect.

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Amstaff 02-22-2015 03:46 PM

Parts will be back from Ollies tomorrow so look for updates soon.

Dpmulvan 02-23-2015 08:31 AM

I thought you couldn't hone alusil cylinders??

Amstaff 02-23-2015 09:18 AM

Honing Cylinders
 
Technically I didn't hone mine. After doing a lot of research I decided to clean them, and then use scotch bright on them. If you search this site you will see a lot of different ways to scuff the cylinders to reuse them. Mine was a low mileage engine and honestly, I didn't have $4000+ to sink into new Pistons and Cylinders so I reused what I had.

Dpmulvan 02-23-2015 10:40 AM

I have a 3.0sc with 100,000 on it and I'm wondering what I'm gonna do when I cross that bridge because honestly I don't have $4000 for new ones either. It seems crazy that one piston and one cylinder has to cost $500 or $600 dollars.

Amstaff 02-23-2015 02:23 PM

For a lot of Porsche guys money is no option. To me it is and I can't just drop 20 grand to build a killer motor so I am building mine on a budget. Honestly I don't have a budget but I am buying parts as I can afford it. I took a 3 month break over the holidays but am back at it. I think all of the big expenses are behind me now.

Had I tried to save the money to buy new Pistons and cylinders along with the extra cash it would have taken for additional machine shop work it would have been a 3 year build.

Amstaff 02-23-2015 02:42 PM

Parts are here!
 
Heads and cam towers got here today! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1424734771.jpg


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Amstaff 02-23-2015 02:44 PM

Cylinder install
 
Got the block ready to receive the piston and cylinder

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