Oil Thread!! Does this oil meet BMW's specs?

[roger albert]

Interesting on their Royal Purple results. (and the valvoline)

And for that matter, the Motul. I've never used any of their 0wX oils, and avoid them in general.
They're heavier weight oils definitely reduce cam scuffing on my mini racers than anything else I've tried. Wish one of those had been here so i could have seen a direct a/b

thanks for sha\ring

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by cageyar

At one time, I owned a small oil distribution company.
Ecolube Products..

were you selling gun lube in small spray bottles? that names sounds familiar, i recall a coworker telling me her husband was getting into this oil distribution thing and she gave me some samples to try on my mountain bike. i might still have them.

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by EZ-RIDER

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Read this article it's an Eye opener

very interesting, i had the same question about the relevance of the test that i see Cageyar has answered. still i feel better about the upcoming free Valvoline oil change!

[jduke]

Originally Posted by AZ-Twin

You say that, after I called you a hippie.

I took that as a compliment....

[jduke]

Ken, have you read the data sheet on the oil I posted? Does it look like oil you would use?

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by shreddr

...were you selling gun lube in small spray bottles?

Nope.
I hooked up with a company out of Calgary, Canada, PowerUp Manufacturing, LTD.
They manufactured a diesel oil additive that increased fuel mileage 5-8% in trucks.
That savings was worth about 4x the price of using the product and it was heavy on friction reducers, which was part of the problem.
I flew up to Calagary and did my due diligence.
The result, based on the product demos and data I reviewed, was I bought the eastern half of PA as my territory.
I signed several big accounts - Volpe Trucking in Norristown was one. I was also pursuing refuse companies (big garbage trucks) and I was in the process of talking with Asplundh Tree Expert Co. which is the largest company in the country clearing vegatation from utility lines for municipalities, governments, railroads, etc.
They are a very profitiable, family owned company in Willow Grove, PA.
The problem was the price of the product kept rising and the performance kept declining. Unfortunately, the canooks f'ked me.
Their early product that performed so well in Calgary owed it's performance to:
lead
Lead is an excellent lubricant when properly integrated into a oil. The problem is it is also illegal in the United States.
Once I figured out what happened, I sold my distributorship and inventory to the MA distributor. Then he promptly defaulted on the payments.
I reminded him that since I delivered everything to him, I knew where he and his family lived. I received some of the money and decided to run the rest as a uncollected business debt on my taxes that year.
So, that was the end of Ecolube Products. I enjoyed doing it but when the product changed, so did the entire concept and viability of the product.
I still have some but it's getting old and I don't use it anymore.
But their NLGI No. 2 grease is fanatastic and I use it in everything that needs greasing, R12S, lawn equipment, etc.

[AZ-Twin]

I had to run some errands today and noticed Mobil 1 15-50 in several stores, both the auto parts stores I was in, and K Mart.

So is Mobil discontinuing this oil, and I should buy some to go with what I have on hand so I have enough to do a service, or did Wal Mart just stop selling it?

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by AZ-Twin

or did Wal Mart just stop selling it?

See above.
Mobil is not stopping production of M1 15W50.

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by roger albert

Interesting on their Royal Purple results. (and the valvoline)...And for that matter, the Motul. I've never used any of their 0wX oils, and avoid them in general.

Originally Posted by shreddr

....still i feel better about the upcoming free Valvoline oil change!

The effects of motor oil marketing are subtle and effective with influencing purchase decisions which, of course, is the goal.

I owned a machine just like the one used in this "test".
The test results are even more dramatic when observed live.
However, there are several problems both with the methodology and the inferences about quality.

1. Remember it's the 2nd number in the viscosity description that describes the oil's weight at operating temperature. This test is done with the oil at ambient temperature or it's "W" visicosity. Other than cold start flow, the test has no relation to actual operating conditions.
2. The Timken bearing (always use name brands to describe your method - it lends gravity to your "test"). This bearing is locked in poistion. It's not spinning against the spinning wheel. What component inside your engine is constantly static while loaded against the oil film? Answer: None.
3. The oil film is very thick as the spinning wheels pulls the film up and around, much thicker than inside your engine at operating temperature.
4. The extent of bearing damage varys greatly on the rate at which the loaded bearing is applied to the wheel. As my product's performance declined, I found i could influence the damage by how gingerly or how quickly I applied to weight loaded bearing to the spinning wheel.

The various proponents of their products do all sorts of "tests" and "analysis" to differentiate their product from the others. Nothing unusual about that - they want your money. But why is it so prevalent in the oil industry. Because actual performance capability is strictly defined by standards from API, JASO, etc.
Proponent means advocate. To be an advocate means: one that supports or promotes the interests of another.

Choosing the right oil is actually very simple:

• Pick the correct viscosity indicated by your engine's manufacturer for your bike
• Pick real synthetic oil because it retains it's additive package at operating temperature longer than mineral based oils
• Get the highest ZDDP content (1,000 PPM minimum - more is better) you can afford because more ZDDP is better than less for your "flat tappet" engine

With regard to 0W oils, the science behind them is improving all the time.
The only negative characteristic so far is that the broader the spread between the two numbers in the viscosity description (0W50 is a 50 point spread vs. 15W50 at 35 points), the more rapidly the rated viscosity changes, degrades or just isn't what it was when the oil was fresh. Viscosity stability (my term) is more "fragile" the broader that spread. But next go-round of oil purchasing after my current inventory is depleted (12 qts. M1 15W50; 6 qts. VR1 synthetic 20W50) I'm going to switch to M1 Racing 0W50.

[Bob Hancock]

Very interesting. I would never have considered 0w50, but it makes sense. Thanks Ken.

Care to comment on the new GM dexos 1 oil? For 2011 they say you should use it to insure warranty coverage should a problem develop that can be related back to oil. It meets the new GF-5 standard...also known as SN. Understand that I don't know what any of that means so don't ask me to explain further....just referring to what I read on the Ask Bob oil forum.

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by Bob Hancock

Care to comment on the new GM dexos 1 oil?

GM dexos 1 or 2 is a standard, not an oil per se.
There is already a crap load of oils that meet their standard:

GM dexos information center

If GM says it's required for your truck, I'd make sure you use an oil certifed as dexos compliant.
That's only if you want your warranty to remain in effect, that is..........

[Bob Hancock]

Originally Posted by cageyar

If GM says it's required for your truck, I'd make sure you use an oil certifed as dexos compliant.
That's only if you want your warranty to remain in effect, that is..........

Which is why I asked. Just getting confirmation for what I suspected. I'll use the link the find dexos 1 compliant alternatives although the GM dealer has it for about $5 qt.

[Dr. Curve]

Any thoughts on this oil, especially for rear end use, which is what I got my one quart of Rear End Lube (RE) 0-91275-75900 for $32.00 plus a few dollars shipping. It is in my R11S rear end and has been for about three years. So far, little heat, no leaks, seems to roll good. Just two more cents as we build toward a dollar.

[cageyar]

I don't know where they source/produce/create their products.
I do know that if your marketing claim is "lube-for-life", it's BS, regardless of what the website says about their case studies.
And $32.00 for one (1) litre of gear lube is simply making these canooks rich.
I smell another canook scam.
They already f'ked me once - I'm not biting again.

Seriously, if you're using this stuff in a current Paralever FD with the notion that it's "lube-for-life", I'd change your plan. BMWNA already did.
With 7 oz. or so, that lube is taking a beating.
I'm changing my M1 75W90 every 6K miles going forward.
It takes less than an hour.

There is no such thing as "lube-for-life".

[Dr. Curve]

I enjoy just trying things like trick oils to see if they work............and this one seems to really stay slick. I will change out Cage, but just thought I would wait till I sensed more heat build up in the rear and then change.......for now the rear end runs incredibly cool. I do not have it in the HP 2 however.

[AZ-Twin]

Here is a link to the Mobil 1 Product guide listing various characteristics about their products.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

[Guest24]

I thought this thread was on hold until Cageyar is allowed back in the sandbox. The Palin thread has just been overcome by the Weiner confessions down in the basement forum.

[BikerMiker]

Originally Posted by cageyar

The only negative characteristic so far is that the broader the spread between the two numbers in the viscosity description (0W50 is a 50 point spread vs. 15W50 at 35 points), the more rapidly the rated viscosity changes, degrades or just isn't what it was when the oil was fresh. Viscosity stability (my term) is more "fragile" the broader that spread.

I've been told that the spread problem is only an issue with dino oil and that the technology behind synthetics allow a large spread with no ill effects. Are synthetics equally affected?

[AZ-Twin]

Some Motul Info.

http://www.worldpac.com/pdfs/motul_SYNINAMcar08_v1.2-Colour.pdf

[roger albert]

I've been told that the spread problem is only an issue with dino oil and that the technology behind synthetics allow a large spread with no ill effects. Are synthetics equally affected?

You've been told wrong. It's true that they're not equally affected, but they're definitely affected. The chemicals (polymers) that make an oil multi-grade (i.e. give them a high viscosity index) are additives to the oil, and largely the same additives in both cases, with similar breakdown over time. A wide range synthetic is a bit safer than a wide range dino oil, for sure, but don't kid yourself that they don't degrade.
All of them do. There's nothing magical about the polymer chains in synth that keep them from shearing.