Anti-Vaxxers

[jyl]

Your thoughts? What would you do if anything?

We're at the tail end of a measles outbreak in the Portland area - actually over the river in Vancouver WA but a few cases in Portland too.

And there's just been the first Oregon tetanus case in a long time.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/03/boy-spent-47-agonizing-days-in-icu-with-tetanus-parents-still-refuse-vaccines/

[jyl]

Interesting, the pediatric infectious disease doc who treated the tetanus boy is my neighbor around the corner.

[livi]

There is no quickfix for ignorance and stupidity.

[flatbutt]

Forcing medical treatment onto those that don't want it is one of those slippery slopes we states rights people rant about. Camels nose under the tent? Maybe. Forcefully protecting a child against what we consider negligence is fraught with unintended consequences. My niece refused to vaccinate her sons and I think shes nuts.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by livi

There is no quickfix for ignorance and stupidity.

There is, but not a socially acceptable one

[jyl]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Forcing medical treatment onto those that don't want it is one of those slippery slopes we states rights people rant about. Camels nose under the tent? Maybe. Forcefully protecting a child against what we consider negligence is fraught with unintended consequences. My niece refused to vaccinate her sons and I think shes nuts.

This is my concern too.

I'm thinking
- you don't have to vaccinate if you don't want to
- unvaccinated children excluded from public school (no exemptions other than bona fide medical)
- streamline process of verifying vaccination status

Which isn't all that much of a change from current practice.

The private sector can do a lot of persuasion without government mandate. Day cares, youth clubs, private schools, etc could require vaccination to participate.

So a dedicated anti-vaxxer could remain so, but the casual anti-vaxxer probably wouldn't go through the inconvenience.

If the dedicated anti-vaxxers are a small enough % of the population, their failure to vaccinate won't matter (you don't need 100% population to be vaccinated).

[GH85Carrera]

I was vaccinated for diseases that are now eliminated. Polio and Small Pox. I got all the standard vaccinations as did everyone back then.

I understand the slippery slope, but it is not just the antivaxers kids in danger. Hence the Measles outbreak. It is a complex problem. In the end, if some idiot parent wants to ignore all of medical science and not vaccinate, their kids don't get to go to school. and public places. No mall, no Disney Land, and so on.

[Jims5543]

I have a BIL who's wife is a an Anti-vaccer she pumped out 3 kids on the taxpayers dime.

She is a season pass holder to Disney (But is on Welfare and whatever Government Health care for welfare is on) and I am just waiting for the day when the kids come down with a rare disease that he not seen the light of day in 20 years.

Idiots, all of them.

[PorscheGAL]

There is no mention of insurance in any of the articles I’ve read. I wonder if insurance companies will eventually require vaccines as a condition of being insured.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I was vaccinated for diseases that are now eliminated. Polio and Small Pox. I got all the standard vaccinations as did everyone back then.

I understand the slippery slope, but it is not just the antivaxers kids in danger. Hence the Measles outbreak. It is a complex problem. In the end, if some idiot parent wants to ignore all of medical science and not vaccinate, their kids don't get to go to school. and public places. No mall, no Disney Land, and so on.

Fwiw, Polio has not been eradicated.

Also, anti-vaxxers fall under the same umbrella as conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theory has been around for a long time and some of it has roots in real stuff. People start to extrapolate from points not connected and trouble follows...like measles outbreaks.

[john70t]

1).Let's say 95 people take the shot and all lived. Yeah!

Let's say 5 people refuse the shot and all died. They got what they deserved! Oh well. Boo!

So the 95 people remaining are now happy guinea pigs, and walk around town totally immune to the disease.
Yeah!
Where in this equation does it concern the rest of us?


2). There were 30-60 school-shooting deaths per year. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/schoolviolence/savd.html
There were 200 to 480 circumcision deaths per year. Circumcision Deaths
There were 47,600 opioid deaths in 2017. https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

Vaccine deaths and/or permanent brain trauma effects are getting up there also.
https://www.dmlawfirm.com/flu-vaccine-deaths-mount/
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2019/01/over-4-billion-paid-for-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths/


3). 'Big Pharma' is derived from the term 'Big Stock Market Free Government Research Money Pharma' for a reason.
So many concerned sjw citizens are all blogging at once on the internet..
Grain of salt my friend.


4) A baby is a delicate miracle and dependent on its environment. After nine months developing from scratch eating and drinking and hearing and feeling everything the mother does it emerges from the womb through a traumatic process which takes months and years to recover from. Meanwhile its genetic structure is slowly developing it's own immune system via the mother's own antibodies specifically cultured over thousands of generations. It is slowly learning and growing the mixture of bacteria which will live in the G.I. tract and sustain it over a lifetime. Adapting and growing naturally.

So in the middle of this entire delicate process....why would anyone stick it with a needle full of harsh chemicals cocktail in a mercury base?
(because they ALL are required and ALL have to be given at once?)

[berettafan]

how much of this is exacerbated by sanctuary cities?

[Yorkie]

[QUOTE=berettafan;10384029]how much of this is exacerbated by sanctuary cities?[/QUOTE

Nice big community of anti-vaccinators south of me in Orange Country. Not sure they are a sanctuary city but you might want to look up their political persuasions

[WolfeMacleod]

Don't call 'em anti-vaxxers.
The proper name is "Plague pushers"

[cstreit]

Easy solution from a friend who is an MD. Make the anti-vaxxers obtain "high risk" insurance policies... Should sort it out.

[Bill Douglas]

We are similarly stupid around this place. A town in NZ has had a measles outbreak with twenty affected and I think two have died. So they have hurriedly ordered 100,000 vacinations because it seems seems like a good idea to get vacinated after all :rolleye:

[wdfifteen]

I need to get a tetanus shot. With all the things I do around here I know I am at risk. If I had a kid at home I’d have him at the doc’s tomorrow for his shot, but can’t get around to taking care of myself.

[john70t]

Vaccines are very useful...and there should be no denying the reality of most modern medicine....but:
1). With mercury?
2). All at once with no recovery/adaptation times?
3). To infants immediately out of the womb?
4). Some of these are for obscure diseases not seen in many decades in low contagion areas.
5). There are so many other known and immediate threats to public safety.

There is a reason the pill got reduced to 1/100th (or a lot) of its original potency.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by john70t

1)
So in the middle of this entire delicate process....why would anyone stick it with a needle full of harsh chemicals cocktail in a mercury base?
(because they ALL are required and ALL have to be given at once?)

First of all it is not full of harsh chemicals. It contains antigens which stimulate the production of antibodies. Secondly only a large or multi dose vial contains Thimerosal and then at a level of 0.01% which is about 50 micrograms of thimerosal per 0.5 mL dose. About the same as a 3 ounce can of tuna fish.

[Alan A]

Stop using reason and logic.
You need to appeal to emotion.
“If you don’t give it the baby will die” is the only message they can relate to. Facts be damned.