Collings Foundation B17 crashes on landing

[varmint]

WW1 planes can be recreated with difficulty. But it is possible. I’ve flown in a few. I don’t foresee a point when someone can make a F4U Corsair in his garage.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

The exhibit was in my town a few weeks ago. They come every year for a week.

Each year they fly them all around the country and make 50 or so stops for about 3 days each.

I had the B25 on my bucket list. That would have given me a flight in all 3 of their bombers. They didn't schedule Lawton this year so I missed out. They may never fly passengers again.

[Nickshu]

Dang, the tour was just in my town at the regional airport not far from my house...they have been here several times over the past few years. Sad to hear.

[nota]

when I was a young kid in the 50's
lots of WW2 aircraft were in use as surplus for cheap service to the islands
and odd jobs like fruit fly spraying
b-25's were common but we saw b-17 and b-24 used on occasion
in addition to the more common box cars and c-47's still in olive drap

[nota]

Originally Posted by varmint

WW1 planes can be recreated with difficulty. But it is possible. I�ve flown in a few. I don�t foresee a point when someone can make a F4U Corsair in his garage.

I went to a warbirds restore shop once they had a p-51 and a skyhawk being done
the owner said all they needed was the original serial number plate
as everything else can be found or remade and very often needed replacement
but he would NOT do a replacement aircraft without the original plate

[doug_porsche]

Not the same plane, but a B-17 at the airport near me last weekend.
Condolences to those affected.

[Eric 951]

This is terrible. Reports are pilot radioed they were having engine trouble 10 minutes after take-off and had trouble gaining altitude--plane came in hard and took out a de-icer and maintenance shed.
Like Sooner, I flew in a B-17 (Aluminum Overcast) 2 years ago--not any real safety gear, and I sat where he did, with my back against the back of the pilot seats and there was a WW2 vet on the flight as well. Had there been an incident, not much one can do.

Condolences to the families who lost loved ones, and I hope this doesn't lead to grounding and ending the opportunity to experience these warbirds--it really is something special.

[widgeon13]

Condolences to the families who lost loved ones!

When you consider the T/O's and landings that these planes do, their safety record would seem pretty damned good. Aluminum Overcast was in Glens Falls NY recently and probably did 10 half hour jumps with passengers over two days. They do this all summer and when one is lost it is most unfortunate and sad but I still contend the safety is good.

[Deschodt]

A friend of mine flew in that very plane a few months back. Said they had a mag drop on the flight, but there are 4 engines so no biggie... The crash hit him hard... I flew a P40 recently, and as much as it was a bucket list item for me, I would lie if I did not admit worrying about my life a little - 80y old airframe, backseat with practically zero chance of exit in a crash (have to slide the rear canopy over the pilot's to escape).... You live your passion or you stay on the sofa I guess.

I don't want to speculate, but I wonder about one thing.. whenever there's an engine issue and a plane crashes "returning to the airport" the FAA always ends up hinting it might have been best to belly land it straight ahead in a field. My instructor said the same to me long ago when I was learning to fly. I wonder if the fact that it's a rare old bird makes the pilots (as qualified as they are) lose sight of that a little and try to save it and get back to the airport at all cost... Sad all around... I hear the injured are severely burned. Ugh....

I was just finishing the last ep of Plane savers and watching the DC3 fly for the first time when I heard... sucks.

[wdfifteen]

Any info on what caused it to crash?

[greglepore]

Not yet. Furthest right engine out, which is why they were returning to land. The structure they hit is far off of the right side of the runway, but almost at the threshold length wise.
Supposedly there are a boatload of gopros on the plane, hopefully one or two survived.

[deanp]

A friend of mine flew on NineONine ten days ago at the stop in Worcester, MA.

[URY914]

7 dead.

[URY914]

There are pictures of the crash site on line but I don't think they need to be posted here.

[edgemar]

Is losing an engine on a B-17 a big deal? I imagine it was much lighter than what it was designed for.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by edgemar

Is losing an engine on a B-17 a big deal? I imagine it was much lighter than what it was designed for.

Absolutely not. Something else happened here.

[gwood]

There is a Reddit thread on /r/aviation where several people reported the plane had been mistakenly refueled with Jet A.

[asphaltgambler]

^^^ if so how in the world could that have happened?^^

[gwood]

It happened to Bob Hoover's Mustang once.

[Rusty Heap]

Lets re-live the real past.


The pilots and crew who manned those planes during WWII were true heroes; God bless them all. The pussy laden society of today couldn't hold a candle to them

my Dad wasn't involved but later was heavily involved in the Sat V big kahuna.


B17

Role Heavy bomber
National origin United States
Manufacturer Boeing
First flight 28 July 1935; 84 years ago[1]
Introduction April 1938; 81 years ago
Retired 1968 (Brazilian Air Force)
Primary users United States Army Air Forces
Royal Air Force
Produced 1936–1945
Number built 12,731[2][3]
Unit cost
US$238,329 (1945)[4]
US$2.7 million (in 2018 dollars)[5]
Variants
XB-38 Flying Fortress
YB-40 Flying Fortress
C-108 Flying Fortress
Developed into Boeing 307 Stratoliner


lets go get the ball bearing plant. and follow up the aircraft assy plant.

1943

400 B17 bombers.


they lost 60 of them .

500 miles behind enemy lines.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRtJdsBePb0

lightweight really, 30 tons fully loaded, hell that's only 60,000 pounds. each


but 400000 bomb ordinance dropped.


FYI, curb weight of a 747 is about 400000 pounds.
Heavy Lifter Cargo Freighter scales out at 1 million pounds



then they got hammered by fighters on the way home.

good lord. the tail gunner, nose gunner, belly , and sides...........

the sound , smell, your freeezing cold, a sheepskin jacket. what, mayber a 200mph cruise speend?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACrW2rIuKtQ




the ugly side of reality that you'll never see on any news channel.


Unique Moments of WW2 Airсraft Crash Landing - Bombers Shot Down in Air Battle - YouTube




this crash video has struck a chord with me.


dammit.