Drove a Tesla and I'm a bit sad.

[widebody911]

Coal is just dried oil.

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I'm triggered by stupid people, yes. That's the number one problem with the internet. Stupid people get to post right alongside intelligent people. It used to be stupid people knew their place and no harm was done. The good old days.

Your unattributed chart shows oil at 34% and coal at 27%. I'm not sure why you posted it other than to prove my point. Thank you!

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by Nader

Glen, I'm no engineer, but I drove the damn car, in anger. And my brother, along with tens of thousands of other Tesla owners, commutes with it every day in L.A.; near as I/we can tell, it IS all that. When I got out of the car, I wasn't gleefully jumping up and down. I just shook my head, like, daaaang.

Anyway, I look forward to resurrecting this thread in 5-10 years!

Count me in as one of them. I commute daily in my Tesla. I probably have an above average commute anywhere outside the LA area. I preheat my car in the morning when its plugged in, I precool my car in the afternoon, right before I leave work. If I'm being honest, I probably accelerate more often and aggressively because it's just so damn fun. I drive it home, run whatever errands I need to and park it with more then 150 miles of range left. The next day the cycle repeats. I have zero range anxiety and dont worry about the life of the batteries anymore then I worried about the engine in my GT350 when I ran it to its 8K redline, which I guarantee I did at least once everytime I drove it.

Are EVs the answer. I dont know, I personally didnt buy my car in an attempt to save money or save the environment. I bought it because I liked the way it looked, drove one and thought, Wow, this is different, I kinda dig it. After over 10K miles, I still really dig it and it just works well.

It's funny, you very rarely hear criticisms from people who actually use them. But if your someone who actually has one, uses it and enjoys it, your just a Tesla fanboy.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by island911

Take one to PIR. See if it can do even 5 laps as quickly as your Alfa.

Or take one on a loop over the N. cascade hwy, Grand Coolee, down the Columbia gorge, Wenatchee and back over Steven's pass in a day. (not going to happen)

Battery tech has a Long way to go.

Look down in the bottom left corner...



per Wikipedia

When I work out of downtown LA, I take mine up and over Angeles Crest/Angeles Forest everyday. Havent had an issue yet.

Curious is that loop a typical commuter loop, or a fun weekend type drive. I'm not familiar with the area, so I'm Just curious about the mileage. For sure there are plenty of loops down here that we routinely do on our motorcycles or sports cars, that would be a PITA, if not impossible to do in an electric car.

Also I'd pick a Tesla M3 performance over the Alfa at the track. It would do just fine. Guys are doing 20 minute track sessions down here at buttonwillow raceway.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by widebody911

Interesting anecdote: my dad just built a new garage and was required by code to install an electric car charging station. I wonder whose lobbying got that into the building code... This is in San Joaquin County - not exactly a tree-hugging hotbed of liberals

Wow, that's interesting. Never heard of that. Every new home built in California has to have solar now. I wonder if eventually it will be solar and a car charger in the garage....

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by widebody911

Coal is just dried oil.

Agreed, in fact I've seen charts with Oil and Coal labeled separately, because, well, they are completely different things and other charts made by stupid people with labels Wet Oil and Dry Oil.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

No, it just proves you are stupid. Nothing more.

I guess the weather is not so good there, but even then, this is a bit uncalled for


There are a lot more Chinese than anyone else, and they are increasing their coal generating capacity, so I would tend to be a bit skeptical about the accuracy of those predictions.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I guess the weather is not so good there, but even then, this is a bit uncalled for


There are a lot more Chinese than anyone else, and they are increasing their coal generating capacity, so I would tend to be a bit skeptical about the accuracy of those predictions.

I understand your point and would agree except he doubled down on being wrong. You know I live in my own meritocracy and have no tolerance for stupid people. They are ruining our country.

The clementines are fantastic with honey drizzled on them, thanks again!

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

They're a fad and will be at the end of the life especially as they have exhausted the Fed incentive. Well unless you consider telsa a status symbol.

Guaranteed you've never driven one......funny, like it or not, some people still think rap music is just a fad as well....

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by David

plus your car would know your schedule tomorrow to know if you need a full charge in the morning. This is pretty simple stuff compared to everything thing else a Tesla does now.

It already does a version of this. I have a departure time and address set. When I get in the car. Its already preheated or cooled and Navigation is set. Its preset with a time to start charging and amount of charge I want.

[GH85Carrera]

Little doubt electric cars are here to stay, and they are great machines. I very much disaprove of the billions of dollars in tax incentives (my tax dollars) used to make Tesla even available. And then on top of that, the individuals that get a tax write off for buying an electric car.

It is even stupider than the huge tax incentives we give to the corn growers so we can burn food in our cars.

Porsche is bringing out the Tycan and we will all have to wait to see how it sells. At least they did not get a few billion of my tax dollars to develop it.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

It's amusing to those of us who drive evs on a daily basis to hear the haters tell us that they don't work. A really good solution to those who don't like evs and can't believe they are actually useful is simply DON'T BUY ONE!

No kidding. I've found out my car isn't practical, I'm risking my life just driving one and the one that's really funny on a Porsche forum.....that people only buy them as a status symbol.....

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

The useful part has already been discussed. When you can drive 400 +miles, fill up in less than 5 minutes and do another 400+ miles. Let alone tow anything useful. Lmk

Serious question. do you do all that with your LS1 powered 928S in your signature?

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I've never said that, so there is no reason for me to remind you of people who do. In fact, of those who post here who own electrics, I can't recall a single one of them saying ICE is bad. We've mostly talked about our experiences with EVs.

And most of us own one or more ICE vehicles and have zero plans to get rid of them.. .

[Sooner or later]

Nearly half of all EV sales in the US (2018) are in Cali. 153,000 out of a total 328,000. Oklahoma sold a whopping 2683 which put Oklahoma in the top half of sales by state. A 250% increase over 2017. The highest rate of increase by any state. Lack of fueling stations off of the interstates turns many buyers off of the purchase in Okla. Our inexpensive fuel makes payback a far longer process.

Very high fuel taxes and high wealth allow Cali buyers a better chance to purchase and get a payback. Far more charging stations in California make fueling less painstaking.

https://evadoption.com/ev-market-share/ev-market-share-state/

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Today, as in right now, coal burning in power plants supplies the majority of the worlds power.

just chill with the fake "facts"


https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/uses-coal/coal-electricity

ok, that is from the coal industry

[pmax]

Originally Posted by RWebb

just chill with the fake "facts"


https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/uses-coal/coal-electricity

ok, that is from the coal industry

Electricity ... the stuff which powers the electric cars.

Coal-fuelled power plants currently fuel 38% of global electricity and, in some countries, coal fuels a higher percentage of electricity.

[Sooner or later]

38% is not a majority.

It is a major part but not a majority.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

38% is not a majority.

It is a major part but not a majority.

Yes, 38% is definitely a major portion not minor.

Coal is cheap.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by pmax

Yes, 38% is definitely a major portion not minor.

Coal is cheap.

NG is killing coal in the US.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

NG is killing coal in the US.

US is not the problem.

China is. The electric cars over there are not going to help.

A report from the International Energy Agency (IEA) found that the world’s appetite for coal declined in 2019 after a two-year resurgence following the steepest ever drop in the use of coal-fired power plants. The world’s energy watchdog said it is too soon to say whether the global appetite for coal would continue to decline because the fate of the industry rests largely in the hands of China’s policymakers.

Coal remains the world’s single largest source of electricity generation, half of which is produced in China and used to power Chinese power plants.

https://ieefa.org/iea-global-coal-demand-to-fall-in-2019-remain-roughly-flat-to-2024/