Mat Mladin?? Wtf?

[javadog]

I understand we'll have to see how things shake out but you were the one that derided everybody around him, when you knew none of them. Mat isn't convicted yet, let alone everyone he knew.

From what I gather from news reports, this is related to a single incident, roughly 6 months ago. The alleged victim is not one of his two daughters. He was arrested around the 13th of March and spent some time in jail before being released on a $50k bond and having his passport revoked.

Ordinarily I think that if the cops indict someone, they're probably guilty more often than not. Something Mladin's lawyer said to the press was a little unusual, so I have a little doubt. We'll see.

This article expresses what I'm hearing from people that knew him and worked with him. Means nothing, but it's what I was expressing yesterday.

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/expletive-deleted-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Yup, just like none of Epstein's friends had any idea.

I bet most of us have met people in our lives that had some sort of a skeleton in their closet. Sometimes people we think we know quite well. People we worked with for years, family members, whatever.

Are these guys those people to you, or was Mladin that guy to all of them? We may never know where the extent of the knowledge ended.

It is, however, unusual for a group of guys to work closely together, travel together, hotel together, eat together - basically live together like family on the road - and not get inklings of each other's oddities. I learned this while working for decades under exactly those circumstances when I travelled the world in AOG. There are almost no secrets after awhile, no matter how hard someone might try to keep them.

I get what you're saying, but I suspect that many/most pedos understand how the rest of society views them and take great pains to hide the fact. I've known folks that were alcoholics and/or addicts that were very good at hiding it. I suspect most pedos are far more careful and secretive than the average alcoholic or addict.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Whomever knew whatever can be addressed during te investigation, Mladin, if guilty needs to go down hard for this. 10 years old? No defense under any circumstances.

Not even necessarily 10, under 10. I think many/most places categorize things differently based on age. For instance, I think there may be a category for children <4, then maybe <10 then maybe another one or two categories based on the teenage years.

Either way, I'm not sure that I think these folks should ever get out at a minimum.

[MBAtarga]

Released on $50k bail ? wow - guess they don't think he will do it again while free?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by MBAtarga

Released on $50k bail ? wow - guess they don't think he will do it again while free?

He's supposed to have supervision around anyone under 16.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by javadog

I understand we'll have to see how things shake out but you were the one that derided everybody around him, when you knew none of them. Mat isn't convicted yet, let alone everyone he knew.

From what I gather from news reports, this is related to a single incident, roughly 6 months ago. The alleged victim is not one of his two daughters. He was arrested around the 13th of March and spent some time in jail before being released on a $50k bond and having his passport revoked.

Ordinarily I think that if the cops indict someone, they're probably guilty more often than not. Something Mladin's lawyer said to the press was a little unusual, so I have a little doubt. We'll see.

This article expresses what I'm hearing from people that knew him and worked with him. Means nothing, but it's what I was expressing yesterday.

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/expletive-deleted-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

I'm glad to see you have finally managed to calm yourself down and begin participating in this conversation at an adult level. All I said was "I bet..." - pure speculation. And not an unreasonable supposition. Your response, in contrast, was entirely unreasonable and over the top. I understand you are somewhat emotionally invested in this, but that is no excuse for your childish tirades.

I don't care if you know these guys or not - it is not unreasonable to bring this up. It has often proven to be the case that someone close to the offender knew, and turned a blind eye. Kind of the price of association, especially with someone so famous. And, like I said, if they well and truly had no idea, then good on them. Nothing to be ashamed of.

It looks like that is probably all moot anyway, since we now know this alleged incident was a mere six months ago, long after his riding career and therefor his association with his crew members has ended. In light of that, it doesn't look like any of them could have known. Unless, of course, there prove to be previous incidents that come to light during the investigation. That appears unlikely at this point, however, so it looks like your friends are probably completely innocent.

Most pedophiles are not, unfortunately, single incident or single victim offenders. Rather, it seems to be an insatiable urge that drives them to offend again and again. Let's hope that is not the case here, and he was caught early on, before he could go on their typical spree of destruction.

[javadog]

And now you call me childish? Jesus, you are some kind of *******.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by javadog

And now you call me childish? Jesus, you are some kind of *******.

Absolutely. Your outbursts were uncalled for.

It has become abundantly clear that you are unable to participate in this discussion in anything approaching an adult manner.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

It's amusing to see someone who's initial post in this thread addressed a forum full of old fuuckers as "kids" tossing the, "that's childish", commentary around.

[Eric Hahl]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Of course they are.

Really - how would it look if any one of them came forward and said something like "I always suspected something"... but never said a word. I'm sure they are all as pure as the driven snow.

Ted Bundy had everyone fooled, even the pro's like Ann Rule who happened to have worked with him...Hell, She spent her lifetime researching and writing about people like him and never suspected, so yeah, anyone could be fooled.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Absolutely. Your outbursts were uncalled for.

It has become abundantly clear that you are unable to participate in this discussion in anything approaching an adult manner.

It's not like we haven't all been there Jeff. You made your point. You may or may not be right in this circumstance.

If there have been more incidents, they will be sure to come out. Look at Cosby for instance. It is easy to march out with the virtue and the torches, but let's not jump the gun. There are certain types of behavior that everyone does know about and will tolerate, and others that people will shrug off seeing because they are too heinous. I don't think you can assume that people knew and took a blind eye.

In this case there hasn't been a trial yet. Social virtue signalling makes it easy to point a finger these days. Jumping on the band wagon is easy, and there is the emotional payoff of feeling superior. No need to form an opinion based on generalities. Facts will often out.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

It's amusing to see someone who's initial post in this thread addressed a forum full of old fuuckers as "kids" tossing the, "that's childish", commentary around.

Says one of the most childish persons here. (No insult intended. Just an observation.)
Once and for all and it will be the last time I ever ask... Why aren't you allowed to post PARF anymore?

The problem is a lot of people here take this internet thing way too seriously.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Says one of the most childish persons here. (No insult intended. Just an observation.)
Once and for all and it will be the last time I ever ask... Why aren't you allowed to post PARF anymore?

The problem is a lot of people here take this internet thing way too seriously.

I was deservedly punished for excessive shiit slinging, primarily involving Beygon/Dean - was told the punishment was temporary but then the spanking moderator disappeared (guess he quit Pelican . . . his forum ID was Chris @ Pelican Parts) and so my pimp slap from there became permanent (going on close to two years now).

Childish? Like the orange guy who throws tantrums whoever he doesn't get the amount of ass kissing he believes he deserves, or a different kind of childish?

Totally agree about peeps here taking the forum stuff way to seriously.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

I was deservedly punished for excessive shiit slinging, primarily involving Beygon/Dean - was told the punishment was temporary but then the spanking moderator disappeared (guess he quit Pelican . . . his forum ID was Chris @ Pelican Parts) and so my pimp slap from there became permanent (going on close to two years now).

Childish? Like the orange guy who throws tantrums whoever he doesn't get the amount of ass kissing he believes he deserves, or a different kind of childish?

Totally agree about peeps here taking the forum stuff way to seriously.

It could be that we take ourselves too seriously.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

It's not like we haven't all been there Jeff. You made your point. You may or may not be right in this circumstance.

If there have been more incidents, they will be sure to come out. Look at Cosby for instance. It is easy to march out with the virtue and the torches, but let's not jump the gun. There are certain types of behavior that everyone does know about and will tolerate, and others that people will shrug off seeing because they are too heinous. I don't think you can assume that people knew and took a blind eye.

In this case there hasn't been a trial yet. Social virtue signalling makes it easy to point a finger these days. Jumping on the band wagon is easy, and there is the emotional payoff of feeling superior. No need to form an opinion based on generalities. Facts will often out.

I absolutely agree. Believe me, I never set out to belabor my point. I simply tossed out the idea that others may have known and chose not so say anything, which is not uncommon. And I absolutely agree that we need to see what comes out during the investigation and at trial before we haul out the tar and feathers.

I commend javadog for defending his friends, I really do. We would expect that. Where I have issue is the manner in which he chose to do that. Intelligent adults can do these things while remaining civil. He clearly cannot. And yes, I take great issue with the guys like him who consistently lower the level of discourse on this forum to that of childish rants and name calling. There is no call for it.

[javadog]

Higgins, you and I butt heads because you have a habit of opening your piehole about things you know nothing about. It started with a breed of dog you've never owned and I'm sure we have been on opposite sides of the fence when it comes to motorcycles. I've quit discussing either of those subjects with you, as it's always just a waste of time.

In this case you were quick to disparage people you've never met and couldn't even name. When I pushed back on that, having actually heard their reactions, you doubled down on your ignorance. "I'm sure they are all as pure as the driven snow" you say...

I'd give you a little leeway if you'd ever met Mladin, or knew him. Or if you'd ever met and interacted with his teammates, his crew, the folks at American Suzuki and other sponsors, etc. But no, that's not part of your world, never has been. You look down on him because he's one of the most successful, and certainly probably the best paid, motorcycle racers we have seen race in the US. You know, one of those damn DEMIGODS we all give a pass to.

If you knew anything about him, you'd know he was famously private. His personal life was off-limits. Those journalists that tried to pry usually got told to **** off. He was a pilot and liked to fly himself to the races. He wasn't everybody's buddy.

He last raced for his team 11 years ago. I'm sure you were there for his last race appearance. I think I remember seeing you there. Remember? Remember what he said when he left, for good? Packed it in, flew back to California, then left for OZ?

There will be no investigation of his past associations in this country. What he did as a racer more than a decade ago is irrelevant to the Australian cops that are investigating what he may have done in NSW, 6 months ago. His alleged victim wasn't even born yet when he last threw a leg over a superbike in the country. Of course, you don't seem to like cops much so it's no surprise that you don't know how investigations work. Here's a hint; they are usually pretty well finished when charges get filed.

I'll admit I have little patience for you running your mouth about subjects you're not familiar with. It's not childish, I just think you're a jerk sometimes. Stick to what you know.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by javadog

Higgins, you and I butt heads because you have a habit of opening your piehole about things you know nothing about. It started with a breed of dog you've never owned and I'm sure we have been on opposite sides of the fence when it comes to motorcycles. I've quit discussing either of those subjects with you, as it's always just a waste of time.

In this case you were quick to disparage people you've never met and couldn't even name. When I pushed back on that, having actually heard their reactions, you doubled down on your ignorance. "I'm sure they are all as pure as the driven snow" you say...

I'd give you a little leeway if you'd ever met Mladin, or knew him. Or if you'd ever met and interacted with his teammates, his crew, the folks at American Suzuki and other sponsors, etc. But no, that's not part of your world, never has been. You look down on him because he's one of the most successful, and certainly probably the best paid, motorcycle racers we have seen race in the US. You know, one of those damn DEMIGODS we all give a pass to.

If you knew anything about him, you'd know he was famously private. His personal life was off-limits. Those journalists that tried to pry usually got told to **** off. He was a pilot and liked to fly himself to the races. He wasn't everybody's buddy.

He last raced for his team 11 years ago. I'm sure you were there for his last race appearance. I think I remember seeing you there. Remember? Remember what he said when he left, for good? Packed it in, flew back to California, then left for OZ?

There will be no investigation of his past associations in this country. What he did as a racer more than a decade ago is irrelevant to the Australian cops that are investigating what he may have done in NSW, 6 months ago. His alleged victim wasn't even born yet when he last threw a leg over a superbike in the country. Of course, you don't seem to like cops much so it's no surprise that you don't know how investigations work. Here's a hint; they are usually pretty well finished when charges get filed.

I'll admit I have little patience for you running your mouth about subjects you're not familiar with. It's not childish, I just think you're a jerk sometimes. Stick to what you know.

I don't know, But that sounded pretty civil and intelligent to me.......

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

I was deservedly punished for excessive shiit slinging, primarily involving Beygon/Dean - was told the punishment was temporary but then the spanking moderator disappeared (guess he quit Pelican . . . his forum ID was Chris @ Pelican Parts) and so my pimp slap from there became permanent (going on close to two years now).

Childish? Like the orange guy who throws tantrums whoever he doesn't get the amount of ass kissing he believes he deserves, or a different kind of childish?

Totally agree about peeps here taking the forum stuff way to seriously.

But like I said don't be offended. Thing is we're allowed to disagree.

Meanwhile, threads like this are terrible. This guy has been accused of some sick schiit... I hope justice prevails.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by javadog

Higgins, you and I butt heads because you have a habit of opening your piehole about things you know nothing about. It started with a breed of dog you've never owned and I'm sure we have been on opposite sides of the fence when it comes to motorcycles. I've quit discussing either of those subjects with you, as it's always just a waste of time.

Wow - so that is what is driving your childish responses? You are still stewing over those conversations? Wow... Really? That's some seriously crazy schitt. Man, life is too short - you need to learn to let go. This is just an internet car forum, after all.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

But like I said don't be offended. Thing is we're allowed to disagree.

Meanwhile, threads like this are terrible. This guy has been accused of some sick schiit... I hope justice prevails.

Not offended at all; you have a sense of humor which means good people in my book (forum butt pinch!).