Ready for Another One?

[stormin48061]

we have the same number of friends. I still haven't met or heard of a single person either. I do know of a lot of ppl that have firearms, but even then, I haven't met or heard of a single person that goes out and says "hey I'm gonna go and shoot someone today".

The issue is that the S**theads and yay whoos are the one that mess it up for everyone and I can say I know of some and see a lot of them and shake my head. Eventho I can be a s**thead and a yay who, from time to time, I know what decorum and politeness is in public. There is enuf incompetent and negligent ppl out there. Crazy world!

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Originally Posted by RWebb

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/swine-flu-strain-human-pandemic-potential-increasingly-found-chinese-pigs

Ok Doom and Gloom Tabs..

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Originally Posted by petrolhead611

We have our share of idiots who don't take this thing seriously and help spread the virus in the UK by breaking the rules; I expected better of Pelican forum members, maybe naively.
In one of our cities, lockdown has just been strictly enforced again, with police guarding exit routes. The unconfirmed, so far, rumours are that garment factory owners in this textiles town illegally ordered their workforces to attend the factories whilst the original lockdown was in force causing an untypical high rise in virus cases when everywhere else was having a significant fall in the rate

The UK version of genocide...

[fastfredracing]

Im still wearing my mask, and avoiding the public like the plague.

[fastfredracing]

I finally met someone local who tested positive .
I tried to hook up with the local Luthier to set up my old Strat back in early Feb. I was supposed to meet him on Saturday. He texted me that day, and said his wife was gravely sick, and could we please reschedule . We were to meet again, the next weekend and then he was sick. Within the next few weeks, the whole Covid thing blew up and we lost touch.
The week after this whole ordeal, was right about the same time my whole family was sick, with what I am sure was Covid. No one can convince me otherwise. It was a sickness like I have never experienced, and all my symptoms lined up exactly with what others were reporting .
I posted about it here.
Anyhow, this week, Greg texted me , and asked if I still wanted my guitar worked on. I just delivered it to him an hour ago. Super cool guy, he has a gold stratocaster for a mailbox .
We were shooting the breeze, and he said that both him, and his wife tested positive for the antibodies . His wife is a nurse, and he an EMT , they got tested out of curiosity because it seemed to be just too much of a coincidence .
The professionals all told us that it was not in the area at this time. No way we could have had it . These are the same people I am supposed to trust with the next outbreak . Hog wash .
Im still wearing my mask, and towing the line. Its just easier , but I gotta be honest. I don't wholeheartedly trust " the science " .

[RWebb]

could be a false + on their tests

or they were i contact w/ a person from outside the area

[onewhippedpuppy]

Considering that this was bouncing around in China last fall, anyone that thinks this just magically appeared in March is a moron. We just didn’t know about it, and doctors thought it was a different strain of the flu. Arrogance of modern medicine, unwilling to admit that they didn’t know something.

[RWebb]

by "this" do you mean the new variant or "species" in the swine flu group?

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by RWebb

by "this" do you mean the new variant or "species" in the swine flu group?

No, Fred’s post about having Covid before it was “officially” in the USA. I also know a number of people, including my son and daughter, who had spot on perfect symptoms in the February timeframe. Docs at the time thought it was a new flu strain because they didn’t know any different.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by fastfredracing

Because there have been 9 deaths in my county , and I still have not met, or heard of one single person who tested positive
I dont believe it to be a hoax, but it is harder to see it as a pandemic through my lens .

We've had 12 people test positive in my workplace since it started, though none of the 30 deaths in my county were co-workers. It's crazy how at work people vacillate between demanding the company shut down, screeching about the draconian protective measures (masks and social distancing required, temperature taken at entry) and declaring the whole thing's a hoax.

Living in a less populated area, I can see how the crisis could seem overblown. If it weren't for work, I'd know no one that's tested positive.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

No, Fred’s post about having Covid before it was “officially” in the USA. I also know a number of people, including my son and daughter, who had spot on perfect symptoms in the February timeframe. Docs at the time thought it was a new flu strain because they didn’t know any different.

some recent studies point to a USA arrival in December....

[nvr2mny]

I’d be more “convinced” if JUST ONCE, the scientists were right re: what measures, besides washing your hands and not touching your eyes/face, would “flatten the curve” (remember that BS?) in slowing down this flu. Our whack job gov Kelly, just last week re-enacted a statewide mask order in ALL public spaces, inside and out. Oh wait, she EXEMPTED the legislature’s requirements. Elitist beeyatch. Funny, the county (Shawnee) that encompasses the state capitol (Topeka) said they had NO intention of enforcing it. Go figure. Most other counties are also not enforcing. I personally know a few people who have tested positive, one being one of my employees. A younger female who has fully recovered and is back at work. Not one of her coworkers whom she could have exposed, came down with it. Shelter the vulnerable and let this run its course. For the most part, the politicians and scientists (Fauci) are talking out of their asses. Flame me if you want but I will take what precautions I deem reasonable and hope I’m one of the 98+% of the people who get this......survive.

[stormin48061]

If you don't believe the science and the Dr's, who are you going to believe, the politicians? We know that ALL politicians are liars. Don't be so hard on the scientists, as this started out with an unknown, so they were wisely experimenting... that's what scientist do. It's not like they were dealing with the cold or the winter flu, where they can tell you what to do like, take advil to address the fever, drink lots of fluids and stay home so you don't give it to others. I am sure that when you started your business, you didn't have all the answers and you too were experimenting and I betcha you made mistakes. These scientist and Dr's are doing their best and they know that people's lives depend on them. They were smart enuf to recognize that like the flu you should not go to work (or out so you don't infect other people... so what's wrong with that advice? The other fact is that you can get a "flu" shot or get vaccinated at your local drug store in the fall so you don't catch the flu. All this is known with the flu because a lot of work went into research and development to help us deal with the flu . We are at the early stages of dealing with this covid including trying to get a vaccine developed and if you don't like science, you won't like the way they research and develop a vaccine (R&D is another word for trial and error!).Can you imagine what the world would look like if science didn't figure out how to make insulin? polio vaccination? heart valve? flying? So all we have so far before they lick this thing is to be smart, be courteous, stay apart, hygiene, be aware of the people around you to do the same thing, maybe educate them? I'm all ears if there is anything better than this. As a friend of mine reminded me once, HOPE is not a strategy.

[RSBob]

^. This makes way too much sense. The deniers and flat earthers will never get it.

A simple example: The faster everyone adopts the recommended health care procedures for stopping the virus, like New Zealand, the faster this country can get back to work. But personal “freedom” to catch the virus will keep the pandemic going in this country for months more than necessary with a death toll over 200,000. We are already at 130,000.

I have one friend that caught it at the initial outbreak in Seattle area before people knew what they were dealing with. She recovered but said it was by far the worst illness she ever had and thought at one point she would die.

[island911]

Originally Posted by stormin48061

If you don't believe the science and the Dr's.. ....

Which ones?

There is not consensuses. Hell the WHO has been outted for being a propaganda arm of the Chinese govt.

It's not the scientists who are mandating masks, it's politicians. - -and, as you've said of politicians "liars."

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by island911

. . . - -and, as you've said of politicians "liars."

And many do so at a rate similar to how most people breathe, and with substance that is so obviously false that a 7 year old could debunk the statements with about 20 seconds of fact checking, and yet they still have support; a real mystery. Maybe deep down, many Americans want, or even need, to be lied to about even the most basic things?

[Jeff Hail]

The 1918 Spanish flu was caused by the H1N1 virus of supposed Avian origin. It was thought to have originated at Fort Riley Kansas with infected soldiers.

Increased death rate was a result of over dosing patients with aspirin thought to alleviate symptoms. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.

Since 1918, there have been several other influenza pandemics, although none as deadly. A flu pandemic from 1957 to 1958 killed around 2 million people worldwide, including some 70,000 people in the United States, and a pandemic from 1968 to 1969 killed approximately 1 million people, including some 34,000 Americans.
More than 12,000 Americans perished during the H1N1 (or “swine flu”) pandemic that occurred from 2009 to 2010.

SARS is a corona virus (SARS-CoV). Horseshoe bats were identified as the natural reservoir.

MERS is a corona virus (MERS-CoV). Contact with dromedary camels is the most common route of infection.

Influenza A (H1N1) is similar to seasonal influenza but has been characterized by higher activity during the northern summer season, higher fatality rates among healthy young adults and higher incidence of viral pneumonia.

Infectious disease expert Richard P. Wenzel, M.D., chair emeritus and professor of the Department of Internal Medicine at Virginia Commonwealth University’s School of Medicine states: All corona viruses — SARS, MERS and COVID-19 — are transmitted from bats with a secondary host. In SARS it was a cat, in MERS it was a camel, and COVID-19 is a pangolin, which is prized for its meat and used for traditional medicine in China. H1N1 was a hybrid from birds and cows.

Corona viruses are CONSTANTLY circumnavigating the globe. They have been forever.
Scientists have divided corona viruses into four sub-groupings, called alpha, beta, gamma, and delta. Seven of these viruses can infect people. The four common ones are:
• 229E (alpha)
• NL63 (alpha)
• OC43 (beta)
• HKU1 (beta)

The three less-common ones are:
• MERS-CoV, a beta virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
• SARS-CoV, a beta virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
• SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19

Taking a step back in 1918 H1N1 they blamed the birds.

In 1957 we had the Asian flu (H2N2). The birds got the shaft with a mix of humans thrown in.

In 1968 we had the Hong Kong flu (H2N2) which is thought to have given rise to (H3N2) version. The birds got reprieve this time around. It could not be (H2N2) again so it became (H3N2).

In 2009 H1N1 (was Porkys fault this time)

The H3N2 virus that caused the 1968 pandemic is still in circulation today and is considered to be a strain of seasonal influenza. In the 1990s a closely related H3N2 virus was isolated from pigs. (Note isolated and now called Swine Flu).

The first flu virus isolated from pigs was influenza A H1N1 in 1930. This virus is a subtype of influenza that is named for the composition of the proteins hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N) that form its viral coat.

Since the 1930s three other subtypes of flu viruses also have been isolated from pigs, including H1N2, H3N1, and H3N2. The emergence of H3N2 in pigs occurred in the late 1990s and is suspected of having been transmitted to pigs from humans. Porky gets the shaft again.

So how can all these be related? Because they are. Many are one in the same but have mutagenic attributes or antigenic alterations. Offspring if you will. Someone discovers a new virus and it's called something new like Microsoft Windows. The original would be DOS, then NT then 95, 98, etc.

In 1976 Fort Dix army base had an outbreak.

Going back to Fort Riley in December 1917 a medical corp. was established specializing in epidemiology under Maj. Charles S. Williamson. Many of the troops came from the farms where they had never come in contact with contagious diseases. The most serious outbreak was meningitis. Several years previously, Kansas had had a meningitis epidemic due to human carriers, and research was completed under the direction of the Rockefeller Foundation. At one time Fort Riley had over 800 cases of mumps, there was measles, smallpox, diphtheria, and every conceivable contagious disease.

Fort Riley coincidently also had a veterinary surgery center.

Fort Riley other than enlisted or officer medical staff had a first of contract physicians, and contract nurses. ( again Rockefeller Foundation financing and indoctrination)
Construction of a new station was completed in 1942 and consisted of 84 buildings in grid (containment layout).

The latest news on the Porky virus:

When multiple strains of influenza viruses infect the same pig, they can easily swap genes, a process known as “reassortment.” The new study, published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, focuses on an influenza virus dubbed G4. The virus is a unique blend of three lineages: one similar to strains found in European and Asian birds, the H1N1 strain that caused the 2009 pandemic, and a North American H1N1 that has genes from avian, human, and pig influenza viruses.
The G4 variant is especially concerning because its core is an avian influenza virus—to which humans have no immunity—with bits of mammalian strains mixed in. “From the data presented, it appears that this is a swine influenza virus that is poised to emerge in humans,” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Sydney who studies pathogens.

China rarely uses influenza vaccines in swine. Nelson says U.S. farms commonly do, but the vaccine has little effect because it’s often outdated and doesn’t match circulating strains.

Influenza viruses frequently jump from pigs to humans, but most do not then transmit between humans. Two cases of G4 infections of humans have been documented and both were dead-end infections that did not transmit to other people. “The likelihood that this particular variant is going to cause a pandemic is low,” says Martha Nelson, an evolutionary biologist at the U.S. National Institutes of Health’s Fogarty International Center who studies pig influenza viruses in the United States and their spread to humans. But Nelson notes that no one knew about the pandemic H1N1 strain, which jumped from pigs to people, until the first human cases surfaced in 2009. “Influenza can surprise us,” Nelson says.

Note the section above where Nelson is quoted as saying no one knew? They have all known for 102 years.

No doubt a bad bug is going around, its with us to stay if you research it. What will it be called next? How long will it peak, how many will it kill? No question its real but is it really novel? Not really based on history. I just hope they get the dates to match and get it straight if its the birds or porky's bug. The flip flopping makes credibility questionable.

[Jeff Hail]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

The USA has an absolutely shocking death rate from Covid 19. Why are all you folks making out that it is a giant hoax or a unwarranted panic?

If you are a Doctor and you charge $350 for an office visit when a patient has the common cold which no cure exists you get about $150 after insurance adjusts the bill.

If you have the same patient come in during a pandemic it "could" be Covid. So thats what the Doctor puts down as the diagnostic code (viral infection). Testing is another story and up to the Doctor. $150 or current pandemic rate charged? Unless you are in distress or acute you may be admitted, otherwise you will get sent home for two weeks. (wait and see)

No question some patients do really have the virus but what if they just have a bad cold, or fear of Covid, winter fever with a side of depression from being indoors for months?

Most folks do not know how medical billing works.

A lot of fantastic medical professionals in the world don't get me wrong. First rate Doctors, NP's, responders, techs. They pay bills with the same money everyone else does.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hail

...

Corona viruses are CONSTANTLY circumnavigating the globe. They have been forever.
Scientists have divided corona viruses into four sub-groupings, called alpha, beta, gamma, and delta. Seven of these viruses can infect people. The four common ones are:
• 229E (alpha)
• NL63 (alpha)
• OC43 (beta)
• HKU1 (beta)

The three less-common ones are:
• MERS-CoV, a beta virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
• SARS-CoV, a beta virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
• SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19

...snip...

Note the section above where Nelson is quoted as saying no one knew? They have all known for 102 years.

No doubt a bad bug is going around, its with us to stay if you research it. What will it be called next? How long will it peak, how many will it kill? No question its real but is it really novel? Not really based on history. ...snip....

Early on in this latest virus fear campaign some Doc or Virologist called it a cold virus. Hand-wringing ninnies gasped and demanded that calling this a cold virus was NOT acceptable. ...as this virus is set to k'k'k'k'KILL MILLIONS. So, no one calls it that, even tho' the average age for morbidity from this virus is 85 y/o (last I checked)

Wait, 85? That can't be right. I mean we have shut down economies and suspended rights of Americans just to spread the pain of this virus over a LONG period all for a cold that kills those on the edge of health?

Ok, I checked. And with counting people who had covid when they died (car accidents and such) we have pushed the average down to 80y/o. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

Still, this is no 1918 bug.

[island911]

which scientists to believe..... 239 scientists are coming out with a paper next week that counters the WHO, and claims that the virus is airborne.

In a forthcoming paper titled “It is Time to Address Airborne Transmission of Covid-19,” 239 signatories attempt to raise awareness about what they say is growing evidence that the virus can spread indoors through aerosols that linger in the air and can be infectious even in smaller quantities than previously thought.

Until recently, most public health guidelines have focused on social distancing measures, regular hand-washing and precautions to avoid droplets. But the signatories to the paper say the potential of the virus to spread via airborne transmission has not been fully appreciated even by public health institutions such as the WHO.

per https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-airborne-spread-world-health-organization/2020/07/05/9de19c38-bed8-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html

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