online voting

[Baz]

Sorry if this is too political for PPOT but if you want a higher voter turnout - the best way to do it is to give the voters a better choice of who to vote for.

I'm not against online voting but my concern is there's too much money in politics for this method not to get compromised and when that happens - and I know it will - it will actually backfire and make voters stay away more than participate.

[stevej37]

^^^ I hear ya. But if the same precautions were used as in banking....it would def give a truer result of the voters choice.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by stevej37

So...without getting political..why hasn't it happened??
Are no votes worth more than any votes?

I guess the people in a position to make it change, will not benefit enough.

[stevej37]

It just irritates me to think that there are thousands/millions of votes that are lost because of the awkward voting system we have. Count me in as one.

[stevej37]

I realize every voting station is different..some are older than others.
I will never go back to my voting station...stand in line for an hour before getting a turn....no thanks.
My vote will be un-counted until they make it better/change to online.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by stevej37

^^^ You never do online banking??

You cool with a federal registration/ID card? Online banking has evolved over what, 20 years? You think our government can pull this off in a few months? Remember the fiasco with the first obamacare website.

Originally Posted by Baz

Sorry if this is too political for PPOT but if you want a higher voter turnout - the best way to do it is to give the voters a better choice of who to vote for......

Agree 100%.

[cabmandone]

Something I find a bit funny about this thread is, I remember people in Iraq standing in line to vote knowing they might be killed while exercising their right to vote. Here we have people refusing to vote because it's too hot out and they have to wait in line. I think we have to get our priorities straight and take our right to vote more seriously.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by fastfredracing

I don't think anyone anywhere would trust that to be free from tampering .I for one would not

I wouldn't. There are people who file their taxes with the IRS only to find out someone else has already filed them and taken the refund.
It might be able to be secure somehow, but we're not there yet.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I wouldn't. There are people who file their taxes with the IRS only to find out someone else has already filed them and taken the refund.
It might be able to be secure somehow, but our government is not there yet.

Had to make a correction. There are private businesses that take online security seriously. Our government? Not so much.

And the thing you mention first about fake tax returns is exactly why I think mail in ballots aren't a good idea. Not trying to make this political, it's just that we've done such a poor job of protecting the personal information of people that there's too much out there to know for sure that the person requesting is actually the person who should be receiving.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by stevej37

Ivan is Maxim.....I trust him!

Maxim is happy to hear that. He asks if he can borrow your car this weekend.

[fastfredracing]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Maxim is happy to hear that. He asks if he can borrow your car this weekend.

That right there is funny, I dont care who you are

[LWJ]

We have vote by mail in Oregon. Not to get parfy, but vote by mail is a reasonable, workable, reliable system.



I suspect that some day we will have online voting. I am a little suspect because all things on-line are subject to security breaches.

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

When it comes to voting we have 50 governments to deal with. Some do a better job than others. The federal government is another story.

The Fed seems to have done a good job with ss payments. How is this any more difficult?

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by stevej37

The Fed seems to have done a good job with ss payments. How is this any more difficult?

I agree SS has been OK.
But I do get a "bill" from Medicare every month that says, "Your medicare bill" on the left and "This is not a bill" on the right. It doesn't instill confidence.

It must be a departmental thing. The IRS is terrible. They agreed last November that they owed me money. Can't seem to pay it. But gave me my 2019 refund twice. I put it in a separate savings account, where it waits for them to demand it back. No way I'm going to touch it.

[jyl]

Oregon has vote by mail. If you’re registered, you get a ballot in the mail. You fill it out, sign, then drop in ballot collection box or mail it back. Your signature is checked (one year my ballot was flagged, I had to go prove it was mine). Very simple.

The error/fraud rate for vote by mail is surely not zero - nothing is zero. But it is negligible. Compare to the problems caused by voter registration purges, closing polling stations, people waiting in line all day to vote, people who have to work on Election Day, hackable electronic voting machines - I love vote by mail.

[Tobra]

Vote by mail is fraught with scandalous shenanigans in California

[Ayles]

Originally Posted by jyl

Oregon has vote by mail. If you’re registered, you get a ballot in the mail. You fill it out, sign, then drop in ballot collection box or mail it back. Your signature is checked (one year my ballot was flagged, I had to go prove it was mine). Very simple.

The error/fraud rate for vote by mail is surely not zero - nothing is zero. But it is negligible. Compare to the problems caused by voter registration purges, closing polling stations, people waiting in line all day to vote, people who have to work on Election Day, hackable electronic voting machines - I love vote by mail.

Same with WA, started off voting absentee when I moved for college then we went all mail. I think Bill Clinton's second term was the last time I voted in person.

I'm all for electronic app based voting as well. I can manage my banking and my portfolio from my phone leveraging my face or fingerprint.

The bank account I access through the app is federally insured. I am sure a voting app could meet that same standard that the bank does to qualify for deposit insurance.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Had to make a correction..

That’s not a correction, it’s a lie. I did not say that. You quoted me and changed the wording of the “quote”. If you have something to say, say it and put your name to it. Don’t make it appear that I said it. To do what you did is cowardly and dishonest.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Had to make a correction. There are private businesses that take online security seriously. Our government? Not so much.

Because private businesses can be sued if they’re sloppy in their handling of personal information or they can incur huge financial losses if they don’t have reasonably tight security on pages that handle financial transactions.

Neither of these “incentivizers” apply to government. It can’t be sued and it doesn’t care what things cost because it’s not their money anyway.

That’s a big part of the problem.