Oh Wow...one bar patron!

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

So?

So, yes, I'm familiar with Sturgis and the rest of the state, its small "east river-west river" populations, the distribution of people year around, the tourist traps along I-90, the overtly conservative politics, the guns, the hunting, the god-awful reservations, the people who are now simultaneously too lazy to work ag and meat packing jobs available but resent the immigrants willing to do that work, the immigrants who resent the racist *******s, the problems that go with immigrant labor, the wind, the heat, the cold, the antelope, deer and pheasants, Homestake mine, the quartzite quarrys, the Buffs and Bones of Ellsworth...all of it.

At one time it was all I knew. It has always been a place for people who can deal with the weather but in many unfortunate ways, it remains 50-100 years in the past. Of course it has lots of company--some less proud to be there.

[RWebb]

Being short of hospital resources is a very low bar.

So is death rate.

Want crippling heart problems the rest of your life?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Being short of hospital resources is a very low bar.

So is death rate.

Want crippling heart problems the rest of your life?

What % are having crippling heart conditions for the rest of their life?

The same can happen with the flu. Heart attacks are 6x more likely within a week of getting the flu.

[RWebb]

this ain't the flu

try not to obfuscate a deadly disease, OK sport?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

this ain't the flu

try not to obfuscate a deadly disease, OK sport?

Didn't say it was. It is more serious than the flu.

The flu can also cause heart problems in a tiny % of cases

Back to my question.

What % are having crippling heart conditions for the rest of their life?

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

What % are having crippling heart conditions for the rest of their life?

It sounds serious and legitimate enough even though the survivors have not lived out the rest of their lives.

One study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

It sounds serious and legitimate enough even though the survivors have not lived out the rest of their lives.

One study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

Yes. It is a concern. We don't know long term consequences. There are dozens of studies in regards to the flu that also show negative consequences to the heart.

I took exception to "crippling heart conditions for the rest of their life".

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I took exception to "crippling heart conditions for the rest of their life".

Understand.

I remember the post a few weeks ago where there was indication that your body gets jacked up bad so I was genuinely interested.

A-Fib and sports injuries are "crippling" and I have both. So I just walk to the fridge for another beer rather than run. Works out just fine.

[pavulon]

How a medical condition can become so politicized that it's not worth talking about is beyond the pale. The world is fooked.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I took exception to "crippling heart conditions for the rest of their life".

why?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

why?

It is an extreme statement that you are using to back your nationwide shutdown rhetoric. We must save lives hasn't gotten you much support so you now add in crippling heart disease as a little spice.

A far more accurate statement would be: Covid can affect the heart and lungs. In some cases it may cause long term damage. If diagnosed at an early stage most cases will not have long term implications.

[RWebb]

You are confused.

I have never advocated a nationwide shutdown.

Your proposed stms are not accurate.

You should take your politics to PARF.

[Sooner or later]

Nothing I said was political. You should read your own body of work to determine your stance on opening up small business and the overall economy. It is always more cases, more deaths, more heart problems, more this and that. When in reality the number of US cases and deaths has been on a decline for a month.

It is true that some areas are seeing higher rates. Though(low bar) hospital capacity and resources are not stressed (initial reason for shutdowns). So you add in the crippling heart disease statement to make your case.

[RWebb]

I am well aware of my posts - you, apparently, are not.

What I have stated, repeatedly, is that different areas will require different solutions.

I resent your attempts to mischaracterize my stmts.

[RWebb]

Penn State team doctor says one-third of COVID-positive Big Ten athletes have heart inflammation
The possible link between COVID-19 and a potentially fatal inflammation of the heart muscle detected on Big Ten athletes seems to validate the conference's decision to postpone fall sports amid the pandemic, at the same time raising questions about the safety of student-athletes in other leagues that are choosing to play.

Major concerns were raised when Dr. Wayne Sebastianelli, Penn State's director of athletic medicine, made the revelation at a meeting of the State College Area school board of directors, saying that information contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 postponing the fall seasons. The other Power Five conferences -- the SEC, ACC and Big 12 -- have decided to play.

“When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to roughly 35 percent of their heart muscles [are] inflamed,” Sebastianelli said. “And we really just don’t know what to do with it right now.''

Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency physician and former sideline doctor for the New York Jets, says it may be time to put all fall sports on hold, pointing out the danger myocarditis presents.

"We need to reconsider allowing all professional, collegiate — as well as school sports at all levels — from going forward this fall,'' Glatter said. "I believe we need to wait until a viable vaccine is available before we can safely allow organized sports at all levels of competition to proceed.''

[group911@aol.co]

Not sure about the source. Could be fake news.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-coronavirus-cases-south-dakota

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Penn State team doctor says one-third of COVID-positive Big Ten athletes have heart inflammation
The possible link between COVID-19 and a potentially fatal inflammation of the heart muscle detected on Big Ten athletes seems to validate the conference's decision to postpone fall sports amid the pandemic, at the same time raising questions about the safety of student-athletes in other leagues that are choosing to play.

Major concerns were raised when Dr. Wayne Sebastianelli, Penn State's director of athletic medicine, made the revelation at a meeting of the State College Area school board of directors, saying that information contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 postponing the fall seasons. The other Power Five conferences -- the SEC, ACC and Big 12 -- have decided to play.

“When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to roughly 35 percent of their heart muscles [are] inflamed,” Sebastianelli said. “And we really just don’t know what to do with it right now.''

Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency physician and former sideline doctor for the New York Jets, says it may be time to put all fall sports on hold, pointing out the danger myocarditis presents.

"We need to reconsider allowing all professional, collegiate — as well as school sports at all levels — from going forward this fall,'' Glatter said. "I believe we need to wait until a viable vaccine is available before we can safely allow organized sports at all levels of competition to proceed.''

You missed the update. Actually, they "estimate" 15%. No Penn State players have been diagnosed with the potentially deadly condition.

[RWebb]

On how myocarditis could potentially affect an athlete in the long term, Sebastianelli said they don't yet know about whether this would affect the status of athletes -- making them go from elite to average.
"What we have seen is when people have been studied with cardiac MRI scans — symptomatic and asymptomatic COVID infections — is a level of inflammation in cardiac muscle that just is alarming," he said.

[Sooner or later]

Not surprising. Happens with the flu (a milder disease). 30 million cases of the flu last year.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1702090


CONCLUSIONS
We found a significant association between respiratory infections, especially influenza, and acute myocardial infarction. (Funded by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research and others.)

[Sooner or later]

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