Texas no longer requires a CHL

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

4 full days just to get the permit paperwork done.

6 hours on line for 3 of those days just to hear **** like, "this form is incorrect, there is no period after his middle initial in this spot but there is in other spots, please leave, fix it and come back another day" kind of ridiculousness.

Are you sure they aren't just messing with you? I don't remember it being that tough with our kids, but then that was 20 years ago.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Well, he is originally from NJ.

all bets are off then.

[mgatepi]

Originally Posted by Erakad

Here are the states with the most permissive open carry laws:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Idaho
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
North Dakota
Vermont
Virginia
Washington state
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

In these states, no permit is required to open carry. However, there may be restrictions on where a person may carry.

source: https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/open-carry-states/

I do not believe Ohio is an open carry state. Fact check any?

[masraum]

https://www.boredpanda.com/liberal-girl-converted-gun-use-shooting-fiona-mccrossin/

The incident occurred on the streets of Las Cruces, New Mexico. A young woman and her 13-year-old sister were driving up to an intersection when another car, driven by Fiona, approached and began honking at them. According to a post by Las Cruces Police Department, “both vehicles turned north and both drivers engaged in aggressive driving.”

It was at this time, after an episode of reckless driving, that Fiona, for reasons unknown, fired a gun at the other vehicle, through her own rear windshield. Fiona then “fled the immediate area but was located a short while later at an apartment,” the Police reported. “She was taken into custody for aggravated assault, and police located a spent .380 caliber shell casing inside Fiona’s Mazda. Police also recovered the .380 caliber handgun Fiona is believed to have used.”

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by masraum

Are you sure they aren't just messing with you? I don't remember it being that tough with our kids, but then that was 20 years ago.

Similar drill with my daughter.

It's gotten really bad.

It's so bad that one of the days on line with my son we are about 5 spots from the door to the office.

Got there at 6AM so our wait would only be a couple of hours after they opened.

We hear commotion from around the corner towards the middle of the line.

Shortly a security guard walks by carrying a young lady who had passed out, probably a Vasovagal from being packed into a hot crowded hallway.

There was an RN in full scrubs two people behind us. She takes a half step out of line, looks and says "I should go help" then pauses for a few seconds and says "but I don't want to loose my spot in line", stepped back in.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by masraum

Do you think they want the pop unarmed and dependent on them?

I don't think cops do want that.

Job security... Armed population is a threat to any law enforcement agency... look at policy of states that have the most strict gun laws. There's no counter argument.

Patrol cops don't want them. Some leos that are prior and believe in the bill of rights. They won't care, but those aren't the cops at the top. They want to collect the fat pension.

Just like the leo that hid during the school shooting and retired with a 6 figure pension.

Money, greed, and death. Or you can have freedom.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by mgatepi

I do not believe Ohio is an open carry state. Fact check any?

Seems like you'd be wrong, at least, according to this link.

https://www.ohiobar.org/public-resources/commonly-asked-law-questions-results/industry-specialties/recent-changes-to-ohios-gun-lawswhat-you-need-to-know/

Open carry is a weird thing.

It's "legal" more places than most folks would think, and, I think, more places than concealed carry is legal.

That is not to say that it's not greatly frowned upon and likely to lead to lots of time wasting trouble at best.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by masraum

https://www.boredpanda.com/liberal-girl-converted-gun-use-shooting-fiona-mccrossin/

Well las cruces is a very weird city. That does not surprise me one bit.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Erakad

Here are the states with the most permissive open carry laws:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Idaho
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
North Dakota
Vermont
Virginia
Washington state
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

In these states, no permit is required to open carry. However, there may be restrictions on where a person may carry.

source: https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/open-carry-states/

Add Oklahoma to that list. No permit to open carry or conceal carry.

[David]

My main concern with the law is that Texas rarely if ever charges someone with killing someone in self defense even in a road rage incident. So if someone pulls a gun on you, you better shoot them first or you'll be dead and they'll say you were the aggressor.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by mgatepi

I do not believe Ohio is an open carry state. Fact check any?

It is unless they’ve changes the laws recently.

[KFC911]

Is this for just "open carry" or also concealed? NC has always been open carry. I think I've seen two folks with one on their hip in the last 4 decades. I think you'd have to be a fuchin' idiot with a little weenie to do it . FWIW, I don't have a permit to carry concealed either ... don't want one, nor will I ask permission to do so if the need arises and I have done so on occasion. It's a 10 day waiting period to purchase a pistol here.... and I have no problem with that either.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by KC911

Is this for just "open carry" or also concealed? NC has always been open carry. I think I've seen two folks with one on their hip in the last 4 decades. I think you'd have to be a fuchin' idiot with a little weenie to do it . FWIW, I don't have a permit to carry concealed either ... don't want one, nor will I ask permission to do so if the need arises and I have done so on occasion. It's a 10 day waiting period to purchase a pistol here.... and I have no problem with that either.

This is for both open and concealed carry.

[GH85Carrera]

I ate lunch yesterday with a fiend I have known for over 30 years. He had a 9mm in a nice holster right on his hip, out in the open. He teaches classes for people that want to learn the proper and safe gun techniques.

[matthewb0051]

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I ate lunch yesterday with a fiend I have known for over 30 years. He had a 9mm in a nice holster right on his hip, out in the open. He teaches classes for people that want to learn the proper and safe gun techniques.

Ask him why he open carries instead of concealed next time Glen. I would seriously like to know his rationale and motivation for doing so. Other than attracting attention (and it does) or to prove a point... it just doesn't make sense. I've never known any LEOs that open carry off duty, always concealed.... I actually think it's a bit stooopid to open carry given the option to legally conceal one.... but that's jmho.

[mgatepi]

Originally Posted by masraum

Seems like you'd be wrong, at least, according to this link.

https://www.ohiobar.org/public-resources/commonly-asked-law-questions-results/industry-specialties/recent-changes-to-ohios-gun-lawswhat-you-need-to-know/

Open carry is a weird thing.

It's "legal" more places than most folks would think, and, I think, more places than concealed carry is legal.

That is not to say that it's not greatly frowned upon and likely to lead to lots of time wasting trouble at best.

Thank you for clearing this up. I did not know this....

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by KC911

Ask him why he open carries instead of concealed next time Glen. I would seriously like to know his rationale and motivation for doing so. Other than attracting attention (and it does) or to prove a point... it just doesn't make sense. I've never known any LEOs that open carry off duty, always concealed.... I actually think it's a bit stooopid to open carry given the option to legally conceal one.... but that's jmho.

I just ignored it. I suspect he likes people asking about it. One of the waiters at the restaurant asked about the pistol. He said they could meet at the gun store a mile away after work and he would discuss the options. He teaches classes on shooting, when to draw and how to shoot in a safe manner, and the legal ramifications of even pulling it out of the holster.

[masraum]

Open carry seems very foolish 98% of the time.

If you're Higgins or Vash out hunting in BFE, no problem. If you've got a bunch of rural land and you carry on your property, no problem. If you're wandering around urban or suburban areas, that doesn't seem like a very good idea.

1 You're going to attract a lot of attention. You shouldn't want or need that sort of attention.
2 Because it's open, you've made yourself a target for bad people who if they want to do something bad, will want to get you out of the way first.
3 Because it's open, bad people may want to relieve you of your spoon.

I'm sure there are more reasons why it's a bad idea.

Hopefully, whatever holster he uses has active retention.

[island911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

It concerns me.

It's not just the training to actually use a firearm properly.

A lot of people have a very ****ed up and uninformed opinion on what they can legally do.

Recently a friend of mine here, smart reasonable guy, professional, got into a bit of a road rage incident on the way home. Happened within a mile or so of his house and the guy he got into it with followed him down our block.

He parked in his garage ran inside got his gun then opened his front door, gave the guy the finger then closed the door and left it unlocked insisting if the guy entered his home he'd be justified in taking a shot at him.

I told him had that transpired he'd likely be the one going to jail.

Are you sure he wouldn't get away with it? I mean it sounds like he might work for the capitol police. - that whole G'head, give me a reason to shoot you vibe.