Texas no longer requires a CHL

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by masraum

Open carry seems very foolish 98% of the time.

If you're Higgins or Vash out hunting in BFE, no problem. If you've got a bunch of rural land and you carry on your property, no problem. If you're wandering around urban or suburban areas, that doesn't seem like a very good idea.

1 You're going to attract a lot of attention. You shouldn't want or need that sort of attention.
2 Because it's open, you've made yourself a target for bad people who if they want to do something bad, will want to get you out of the way first.
3 Because it's open, bad people may want to relieve you of your spoon.

I'm sure there are more reasons why it's a bad idea.

Hopefully, whatever holster he uses has active retention.

^^^ Yep. When I'm on my rural property, my baby Ruger goes in my pocket upon arrival, and was also in my pocket when checking out my neighbor's house when he called me once (he wasn't home). The cops were on the way and that's the first thing I told him. Nothing wrong with concealing (without a permit) on your own property. And were I ever to encounter a suspicious two legged visitor where they don't belong .... they are likely to see it though I may or may not point it. Is that brandishing? Don't know and don't GAF ... it might stop them from being even more stooopid. If they don't like it .... I'll even offer to call the cops for them and wait ... spoon in hand .

[Rick Lee]

When they passed Constitutional Carry in AZ, the only reasons the cops (DPS, really) opposed it is because their permit fee revenue dried up, and lots of cops were CCW instructors as a side gig. I know one sheriff's deputy who made a very nice side income by holding classes at his house on weekends. No more. I still have a permit, but really only for reciprocity in other states and because it exempts me from NICS checks when I buy guns from FFLs.

[reachme]

Here's another way to look at it.

Every gun owner should somewhat regularly go to a range to learn/practice operating it safely. If they do not have the permission to "carry" then laws vary but it usually must be "secured" away from your use and others - which to be safe means locked in a trunk.

SUV's, pickups, minivans, Jeeps, 80%+ of cars now don't have a trunk. So is it ok to have on the seat next to you in a lockbox-probably not.
What about on the way to your car if you live in public housing
What about if you take public transport in a backpack.

So the existing laws put all existing gun owners (without carry permission) at risk of firearm violations anytime they want to use it unless they have a range on property (very few).

So to be safe this forces gun owners to get that extra permission to carry if they can, pay more $, go through more hoops, gun registration. Thats if they can. It is not a right so often not given in the areas where needed most (urban) and we all want gun owners to be safe and proficient so I see that as the intent

[GH85Carrera]

I know several guys that got the concealed carry permit back when they were needed. Many of them still get the permit. One of them is a motorcycle rider and and he always carries a piece. He has been stopped many times, and hands the cop his driver's license and his permit card. That of course always brings up the question, are you armed sir from the cop. He always is, and admits it. It usually means no ticket, and the cop and he discussing best carry pieces and holsters.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by reachme

Here's another way to look at it.

Every gun owner should somewhat regularly go to a range to learn/practice operating it safely. If they do not have the permission to "carry" then laws vary but it usually must be "secured" away from your use and others - which to be safe means locked in a trunk.

SUV's, pickups, minivans, Jeeps, 80%+ of cars now don't have a trunk. So is it ok to have on the seat next to you in a lockbox-probably not.
What about on the way to your car if you live in public housing
What about if you take public transport in a backpack.

So the existing laws put all existing gun owners (without carry permission) at risk of firearm violations anytime they want to use it unless they have a range on property (very few).

So to be safe this forces gun owners to get that extra permission to carry if they can, pay more $, go through more hoops, gun registration. Thats if they can. It is not a right so often not given in the areas where needed most (urban) and we all want gun owners to be safe and proficient so I see that as the intent

In TX your vehicle is an extension of your home or place of business.

Meaning no requirement to keep it in the trunk or anywhere else.

Can be laying there on the seat fully loaded in full view.

[KFC911]

When I was 18 and going to shoot my M27 in my Jeep CJ5 it rode on the passenger seat. Pickup trucks with gunracks in the back window were a common sight ... many times with a visible spoon. Haven't seen one like that in a long time.... decades. Mine go behind the seat or in the toolbox.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by reachme

SUV's, pickups, minivans, Jeeps, 80%+ of cars now don't have a trunk. So is it ok to have on the seat next to you in a lockbox-probably not.

Actually it is legal to do this in California, which is about as restrictive as it gets.

Originally Posted by reachme

So to be safe this forces gun owners to get that extra permission to carry if they can, pay more $, go through more hoops, gun registration. Thats if they can. It is not a right so often not given in the areas where needed most (urban) and we all want gun owners to be safe and proficient so I see that as the intent

Not a right?

[Ctopher]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Actually it is legal to do this in California, which is about as restrictive as it gets.



Not a right?

Yep, flew into cali with my pistol checked, bought my first pcar and drove a bit with pistol in the trunk. As soon as I crossed the state lines it was loaded, in holster and in my pocket the rest of the trip back to Texas.


CTopher

[reachme]

Glad to hear other states are more permissive. I was trying to say that in Mass when I got certified I was told that without a carry permit it needed to be "secured" in the car which means locked and out of your reach (trunk is safest) so that pushes everyone to go for the max carry permission possible just to be safe. But since carry is not a right in Mass not every police dept. gives it. Yes. You need to ask permission from the local police dept, get fingerprinted, pic taken, pay fee etc.
I've been told some deny and you can appeal. Some departments just delay and make you go to court for it. If you are more rural you often don't get a hard time at all.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Erakad

Here are the states with the most permissive open carry laws:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Idaho
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
North Dakota
Vermont
Virginia
Washington state
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

In these states, no permit is required to open carry. However, there may be restrictions on where a person may carry.

source: https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/open-carry-states/

Add Tennessee to that list

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Shall not be infringed.....
Not get educated first and we'll think about it....

You guys are sheep

Isn't training a good idea?

[Neilk]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Isn't training a good idea?

Too late for this guy in Dallas.

Man dies after he accidentally shoots himself at Omni Dallas Hotel, witness tells police
The man was found dead late Saturday with a wound to his upper torso.

By Kelli Smith

10:49 AM on Sep 5, 2021

A man was found dead late Saturday at a downtown Dallas hotel after he accidentally shot himself while he was cleaning a gun, a witness told police.

Dallas officers who responded to the shooting about 11:30 p.m. at the Omni Dallas Hotel in the 500 block of South Lamar Street, near Interstate 35E, found the man with a gunshot wound to his upper torso.

The man has not been publicly identified, and police did not release any other details about the incident.

[CurtEgerer]

Every time freedom is restored, there are dire predictions of gunfights in the streets Several years ago in Michigan, one needed to go before a politicized County board of do-gooder good-old-boys and prove why the 2nd Ammendment applied to you so you could carry a weapon. Then the law was changed to 'Shall Issue' amidst warnings that the streets would never be safe again, that road rage incidents would end in gunfights, etc. Of course, NONE of that happened. Good for Texas.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Isn't training a good idea?

it's absolutely a good idea.

But a "right" does not normally require training.

No training is required for "free speech," etc.... That's the point of a right is that it's a right, not a right after you've had training.

Most training is primarily focused on the legal aspects, not safety or marksmanship/use.

[masraum]

I'm shocked that Redbeard hasn't chimed in on this thread.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Neilk

Too late for this guy in Dallas.

Man dies after he accidentally shoots himself at Omni Dallas Hotel, witness tells police
The man was found dead late Saturday with a wound to his upper torso.

By Kelli Smith

10:49 AM on Sep 5, 2021

A man was found dead late Saturday at a downtown Dallas hotel after he accidentally shot himself while he was cleaning a gun, a witness told police.

Dallas officers who responded to the shooting about 11:30 p.m. at the Omni Dallas Hotel in the 500 block of South Lamar Street, near Interstate 35E, found the man with a gunshot wound to his upper torso.

The man has not been publicly identified, and police did not release any other details about the incident.

How the heck does this happen ????? Gun training 101 ........ Know the status of the weapon in your hands in regards to loaded or not . And never point at anything you don't plan to shoot . But I guess he had the " right " to be stupid . I just shake my head . Tragic story told waaaaay too many times .

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

How the heck does this happen ????? Gun training 101 ........ Know the status of the weapon in your hands in regards to loaded or not . And never point at anything you don't plan to shoot . But I guess he had the " right " to be stupid . I just shake my head . Tragic story told waaaaay too many times .

Anyone can buy a gun including people who have 1 never had any training and 2 don't think "I should get some training" and 3 even with training are an accident waiting to happen.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by masraum

Anyone can buy a gun including people who have 1 never had any training and 2 don't think "I should get some training" and 3 even with training are an accident waiting to happen.

Based on your reply which I believe is accurate , I fall into the " I believe in training " category .

[74-911]

Originally Posted by KC911

...... Pickup trucks with gunracks in the back window were a common sight ... many times with a visible spoon. Haven't seen one like that in a long time.... decades. .

Very common in the small N. TX town I grew up in during the 50's and into the 60's. Many pickups had what came to be known as "Easy Rider Rifle Racks" and usually a shotgun and/or .22 cal. rifle. Would see them parked downtown, particularly on Saturday afternoon on grocery shopping day... often with windows down and not locked.

Likewise, can't remember the last time I saw that. not in many decades and certainly not lately.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Isn't training a good idea?

Its a great idea but, shall not be infringed was not a conditional statement to law abiding citizens. You of all people understand what happens when the govt gets involved in making it nearly impossible to own or use a firearm. The agenda is not safety, it is disarming the public.

As far as the man who died in TX. Sad but unfortunately, he was a Darwin award winner. There has to be a point where we don't eliminate freedoms in the name of our own good. Frankly I'd like to see people have required training, pass a test, and be issued a license to smoke a cigarette or ride a bicycle. Heck, ever see how many people are injured or killed by a fall in the shower?