Gruden out.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Yeah... quit or be fired.. "voluntary"

The guy had a $100M contract. You don't think they had a morals clause? Zero chance of him staying on.

Say he didn't quit, how does that help him? More press coverage?

I will ask the same question someone above didn't answer. If he should still be in the NFL, and nor 'cancelled', what's appropriate here? Nothing? A fine? A suspension?

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

The guy had a $100M contract. You don't think they had a morals clause? Zero chance of him staying on.

Say he didn't quit, how does that help him? More press coverage?

I will ask the same question someone above didn't answer. If he should still be in the NFL, and nor 'cancelled', what's appropriate here? Nothing? A fine? A suspension?

F'k man! You've got Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill still playing in the league and they both physically attacked women. Moral clause in the NFL? Pfft.

[jyl]

NFL head coach is an apex job that hundreds of others would take in a heartbeat. Have to do everything right in every way to hope to keep it, and even then you might not. In this case, he made himself a huge liability to the team and league, and showed no judgement at all. That sort of conduct, made public, will get anyone fired from any job.

[cabmandone]

10 years ago he displayed bad judgment. Again, if we're using words from the past then the Commissioner better reconsider his choice for the Super Bowl halftime entertainment.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by cabmando

F'k man! You've got Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill still playing in the league and they both physically attacked women. Moral clause in the NFL? Pfft.

So you think the Raiders would have paid him out? What should have happened to him? What's the answer?

The discussion at hand is not what they did wrong, or still do wrong with players. That's a different topic. Is his argument 'there are worse people in the league'?

[cabmandone]

He should have been fined. He should have been suspended. He didn't do anything any worse than some active players have done... in fact, he did FAR LESS than some active players have done.

[cabmandone]

And if we care so much about racial slurs, homophobic language and misogynistic actions or words... again what the hell are Dr Dre, Snoop, and Eminem doing headlining the Super Bowl ? It's bullsh.t to force out Gruden because of homophobic, misogynistic, and racial slurs and have Dre, Snoop and Eminem representing the NFL at the halftime show.

[HobieMarty]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

So what's the right outcome in your world? He should keep his job, his comments and emails are overblown?

All I am saying is get all the facts in line, ducks in a row so to speak, before becoming judge and jury, that applies in any case.
This cancel culture has rushed to judgement far too often without having all the facts, "grab your torch and pitch forks" mentality.
I don't have all the answers nor do I claim to have all the answers for any of this and not making any excuses for this guy, actually couldn't give two $hits about him but a quick rush to judgement is not the way to handle things. If he did all of these things that he is being accused of doing then that is just being a bad person. Should he lose everything because of bad behavior, or should he have to take personal management classes and get in touch with his feelings to help him see that his behavior is unacceptable?

I will say this though, I wouldn't tolerate kneeling during the National Anthem either and anyone who did so would also be canceled!!! You see, cancel culture can work both ways.

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[Eric 951]

Originally Posted by cabmando

F'k man! You've got Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill still playing in the league and they both physically attacked women. Moral clause in the NFL? Pfft.

the moral is "saying bad things is a worse crime than actually DOING bad things" Antonio Brown's sexual assault caseS (plural) are still pending that guy just won a Super Bowl and is playing every Sunday

Not to mention Dre and eminem and snoop --pillars all, never any violent, misogynic, or racist language in their past

didn't Chappelle just do a whole routine about how SAYING bad things about certain groups is worse than actually DOING bad things to other groups.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

All I am saying is get all the facts in line, ducks in a row so to speak, before becoming judge and jury, that applies in any case.
This cancel culture has rushed to judgement far too often without having all the facts, "grab your torch and pitch forks" mentality.
I don't have all the answers nor do I claim to have all the answers for any of this and not making any excuses for this guy, actually couldn't give two $hits about him but a quick rush to judgement is not the way to handle things. If he did all of these things that he is being accused of doing then that is just being a bad person. Should he lose everything because of bad behavior, or should he have to take personal management classes and get in touch with his feelings to help him see that his behavior is unacceptable?

I will say this though, I wouldn't tolerate kneeling during the National Anthem either and anyone who did so would also be canceled!!! You see, cancel culture can work both ways.

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I hear what you're saying but it only looks rushed to us on the outside, looking in. The owners of the team may have known about his emails for a while and were just waiting to see if it got put on blast, (widely publicized). Bottom line is that when schit like this comes out in 2021, you are toast. Doesn't matter if you are the CEO of a major company and the stock is doing great...you are kicking rocks.

[911boost]

So then how can these "entertainers" still be on for the half time show?

There was not a single white person in last years halftime show, this one sounds like it is going to be a lot worse.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by 911boost

So then how can these "entertainers" still be on for the half time show?

There was not a single white person in last years halftime show, this one sounds like it is going to be a lot worse.

It’s worse because there are no white performers? Interesting take.

[Eric 951]

Originally Posted by upsscott

It’s worse because there are no white performers? Interesting take.

here is a sampling of eminem lyrics...lovely

Marshall Mathers dropping the word “f----t” and threatening violence against women (“This much of a cs***s

ucker to go across the buttocks of Vivica Fox with a box cutter”) and the intersexed (“Got knives to slash and slice hermaphrodites in half”).

Met a r***ded kid named Greg, with a wooden leg
Snatched it off and beat him over the f****g head with the peg”

Went to gym in 8th grade, r**ed the women's swim team
Don't take me for a joke, I'm no comedian”

[911boost]

Worse as in a do as I say, not as I do... The NFL/Public has crucified Gruden, but will allow blatant racist individuals to perform.

Not that I really care because I am not their target audience.

[juanbenae]

Rupert will hire him to do sports updates on Tucker's show.

[Eric 951]

the latest

While we acknowledge Jon Gruden's contributions on the field," the team said, "his actions go against our core values as an organization."
"Therefore, he will no longer continue to be a member of the Buccaneers Ring of Honor."
Gruden coached the Bucs from 2002 to 2008 ... winning one Super Bowl with the team.

This is the team which signed AB who is still playing. the lack of consistency regarding their position is baffling.

[URY914]

There is talk that he was set up by the owners and the NFL. The guy was a trouble maker and they found a way to get rid of him. Could be.....

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Eric 951

the latest

While we acknowledge Jon Gruden's contributions on the field," the team said, "his actions go against our core values as an organization."
"Therefore, he will no longer continue to be a member of the Buccaneers Ring of Honor."
Gruden coached the Bucs from 2002 to 2008 ... winning one Super Bowl with the team.

This is the team which signed AB who is still playing. the lack of consistency regarding their position is baffling.

LOL!! "core values"

[pavulon]

Anyone operating a level or more above others but yet to figure out that the path is narrow and electronic communications live forever is an excellent candidate for Next. There will be plenty more so the only question is "Who?"

Anyone willing to start a betting line of names?

[dan88911]

No one is going to miss gruden pacing on the side line frowning.
However they will look forward to his replacement.